New War Patrol scenario

[Egan]

Originally Posted by Bill Nichols

Once I get the 'spawn units' function to work, I may change my scenario to start in port, and spawn the convoy when the player arrives on station.

If you haven't read it yet, read my last post in the 'Objectives, triggers and events' thread. I finally got the 'Update instance' event to work after spending days on it. I've only tried it with a search plane just now, but I'm sure it should work with anything.

[Chock]

According to the The Encyclopedia of American Submarines, Tang (SS-306) is credited with sinking 24 vessels for a total of 93,824 tons. Does anyone know if this is actually the correct figure?

[ironkross]

I haven't done a single mission yet. But since I just ended my previous career in the Java Sea I'm starting over with this mission. Thanks.

[Bill Nichols]

Originally Posted by Chock

According to the The Encyclopedia of American Submarines, Tang (SS-306) is credited with sinking 24 vessels for a total of 93,824 tons. Does anyone know if this is actually the correct figure?

I'm researching this now. I suspect the larger number (31 ships for over 200,000 tons) is based on O'Kane's patrol reports, the lower number on post-war assessment.

[Bl@ckVoid]

Post war assessment was too favourable towards Air Force. Especially for 1945 sinkings.

[jmanwell]

Originally Posted by Bill Nichols

I'm researching this now. I suspect the larger number (31 ships for over 200,000 tons) is based on O'Kane's patrol reports, the lower number on post-war assessment.

You are correct. According to Clay Blair's Silent Victory O' Kane posted 31 ships sunk for a total of 227,800 tons sunk in his patrol reports. However, JANAC credited O' Kane with 24 ships sunk for a total of 93, 824 tons.

And if you are wondering, on his third patrol O' Kane posted 8 ships sunk for a total of 56,000 tons in his report, but JANAC credited him with 10 ships for a total of 39,100 tons just as Bill_Nichols stated.

When it comes to ships and tonnage sunk for a patrol, I tend to believe the one who was there when it happened.

[Driftwood]

John D. Alden, retired Navy Commander (according to William Tuohy in "The Bravest Man") updated the JANAC figures in the 80's/90's after he had learned that the Japanese figures had been updated with more accurate data than was available to JANAC. According to Tuohy, Alden's figures are probably the most accurate. Great book by the way! Tuohy tells a great story about O'Kane and some of the more colorful Sub Skippers of that time.

[Bill Nichols]

Originally Posted by Driftwood

John D. Alden, retired Navy Commander (according to William Tuohy in "The Bravest Man") updated the JANAC figures in the 80's/90's after he had learned that the Japanese figures had been updated with more accurate data than was available to JANAC. According to Tuohy, Alden's figures are probably the most accurate. Great book by the way! Tuohy tells a great story about O'Kane and some of the more colorful Sub Skippers of that time.

Don't leave me in suspense... what are Alden's figures for Tang?

[Driftwood]

Originally Posted by Bill Nichols

Don't leave me in suspense... what are Alden's figures for Tang?

My apologies Bill, I've just returned from an anniversary trip (34 years to the same beautiful bride!.......poor woman. ) And one of the books I took along was The Bravest Man. Came back last night and today was trying to "catch up" when I came across this post. I recalled seeing this reference in the book (which I've still got a chapter and a half left to finish) and thought one of you real bubbleheads would be familiar with Commander Alden's study. I've not had an opportunity yet to do any research on Cdr Aldens' work but I will. Here's the bibliograpny information for those of you who are interested. "US Submarine Attacks in World War II," Annapolis, US Naval Institute Press, 1989, updated and revised, 1999,2000.