Two Male students watch gunman reload?

[ASWnut101]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Also there are reports the shooter had two handguns. While one was a 9mm the other was a .22 automatic. Both hurt.

Also, neither are reknown for thier stopping power. Just a fact.

[gnirtS]

Well they stopped 30+ people permanently.

[ASWnut101]

Originally Posted by gnirtS

Well they stopped 30+ people permanently.

A headshot will do that to anybody. I can kill someone with a BB Rifle.

[TteFAboB]

I stand corrected. It weren't the students blocking the door with their feet, it was a teacher blocking the door with his body.

U-533, here is your hero:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...843.shtml?s=ic

An Israeli professor and Holocaust survivor sacrificed his own life to save the lives of countless students during the carnage Monday at Virginia Tech.


Liviu Librescu, 76, blocked the doorway to his classroom with his body and told the students to flee. He was shot through the door by gunman Cho Seung-Hui, "but all the students lived because of him,” Virginia Tech student Asael Arad said.
When the sound of gunfire drew closer, the professor braced himself against the door, holding it shut against the gunman in the hall, the New York Daily news reports. That allowed the students to escape.

Student Alec Calhoun told the News that the last thing he saw before jumping out the window was Librescu blocking the door.


Librescu was sent to a labor camp in Russia as a child and was saved by townspeople. In 1978, his family emigrated from Romania to Israel, and in 1986 Librescu, his wife and two sons moved to Virginia.



© NewsMax 2007. All rights reserved.

God bless the townspeople Russians who saved Librescu (from the Russians who captured him) as a child so that he could save our children today. God bless this man who was willing to put his life at risk to save his students. That's as far as a teacher can go.

Rest in peace.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by ASWnut101

Also, neither are reknown for thier stopping power. Just a fact.

You are right, but both have great killing power

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by U-533

as far as judging some one goes far be it from me

Originally Posted by U-533

Hell ...who knows maybe one of them is studying to be a lawyer and he will get thousands of dollars from our government by proving what he did was best for everyone ... after he graduates...

HAA! for that matter these 2 probably will sue the families of the victims because they had to stand there and be traumatized buy watching a murderer reload his gun... because the victims took less bullets to kill than they should have

No comment

[U-533]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

No comment

Just stating possible facts in this victimized society

Funny ol world aint it?

[U-533]

Originally Posted by Platapus

You are right, but both have great killing power

Honestly I would rather be shot with the 9mm...

The 22 would enter the ribcage and race round and round and round inside then maybe ricochet back and forth a bit... nasty way to die

[ASWnut101]

Originally Posted by Platapus

You are right, but both have great killing power

As do forks, knives, pencils, ect.

What I'm trying to say (and I know I didn't point this out clearly; my apologies) is that if he used something like a .45 ACP or a .44 Magnum, there would have been alot more people dead. Alot more.

With a 9mm, a chest shot is not garunteed. Normally, SWAT, when using the 9mm cartridge, uses the "2-1" rule: Two shots to the chest, and one to the head. A .45 ACP shot to the chest will put you down. Down hard. And a .22? Forget about a chest shot. You'd have to get lucky and hit a vital organ like the heart if you want to stop someone. Supposedly, he used the .22 to shoot only himself, which makes sence. Use the more powerful to kill more, and leave the weak to yourself, as it might not even work.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by ASWnut101

Also, neither are reknown for thier stopping power. Just a fact.

Haha, a 9mm has plenty of "stopping power". Try shooting yourself in the foot with one and then see how far you can run

[U-533]

Originally Posted by Platapus

I guess it depends on what was meant by reload.

If they meant he removed an empty magazine, stowed his weapon, opened a box of bullets, manually loaded 15 of them in the magazine, retrieved his weapon, inserted the magazine and manually worked the slide then I can understand your point. That takes a lot of time

If, on the other hand he ejected an empty magazine, inserted a loaded magazine and released the slide lock this can be done very quickly.

I have not read any reports on the number of magazines the shooter was carrying.

You did not mention how far these two students were from the gunman

Also there are reports the shooter had two handguns. While one was a 9mm the other was a .22 automatic. Both hurt.

So before I can judge these students, I would need a lot more information on the circumstances. Actually, even after getting a lot more information, I probably would not want to judge them.

I seriously doubt that these two students were standing right by the shooter while he was manually loading a magazine.

I am sure that there are a lot of people on the internet who would instantly disarm the shooter, braving certain death for the betterment of society, but the shooting did not take place on the internet. It was real life. and sadly in this case real death.

There are no saves nor reloads in real life. Nor can we alter the realism

All the murders 9mm clips(which can hold up to 19 rounds) were empty the 22 was empty...

They both told the officer they watched the murderer put bullets into the clip..........

as I said "Maybe 30 seconds"

not on the internet?? True many armchair quarterback would have done it different

but the game has been played and the score is still the same and it was real life

as far as judging some one goes far be it from me

Im just point to the fact 2 males watched and did nothing

[GlobalExplorer]

Originally Posted by U-533

They stood there and watched him reload...

2 count'em... 2 Male students stood and watched the Asian mass murderer reload ...

2

2 males... watched the dude empty his guns and begin to reload the last clip of the 9mm pistol

2 of 'em

2 males... maybe they should be called "Perfectly Urban Social Sissy Youth'S"

2

I'm good at field striping then filling the mag on a 9mm hand gun... I can do it in 1 minute flat on a bad day...

So lets say this guys as good at weapons as I'am... I'll give him 30 secounds to eject and fill a 9mm clip

30 secounds ... 2 males watching ...just watching thats all...just watching

"Asian mass murderer" .. "Perfectly Urban Social Sissy Youth's" .. U-533, your thread is pissing me off ..

[U-533]

Well I may make people mad ... but

I will cast the first stone : sin or no sin


This Asian Mass Murderer was whacked out from the start...

2 times arrested for stalking two different women (Charges dropped because he was an alien)

His own professors wanted him out ( but they were told we can't do that it would not be HERE IT IS ... WAIT FOR IT.... "POLICTICALY CORRECT")

His parents sent word he should be sent back home because he has suicidal tendencies

He also turned in essays stating what his intentions were and how he would do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So you wanna get mad at me?

Me of all people to be mad at?

Please...


Go ahead... no skin off my nose...

But look in the mirror and ask yourself if you dare to confront yourself

"Will my "Political Correctness" stop such things as this happening again?"

If you answer yes ... well good luck to ya...



P.S.
I did some checking with people who were there It took the ASIAN MASS MURDERER almost 3 minutes to reload one Magazine

so for 3 minutes he was busy stuffing rounds into his weapons Mag

3 minutes

2 males

Oh BTW it was more than 2 males according to sources it just seems these two wanted special attention... they have it...

[P_Funk]

Originally Posted by U-533

I did some checking with people who were there It took the ASIAN MASS MURDERER almost 3 minutes to reload one Magazine

so for 3 minutes he was busy stuffing rounds into his weapons Mag

3 minutes

2 males

First of all after the fact analysis of the situation leads to a different level of awareness than you can have in the moment. Secondly someone above said "why couldn't he just stop halfway through reloading and reload the magazine?". Thirdly, as I said before, how do those two "males" know that he doesn't have another gun and that he isn't just being smart and reloading his gun so that he doesn't get caught without one?

You take the situation out of context, take the collected facts, and then replay it in your head and you get a different experience from theirs. You weren't there, you didn't watch him reload. They didn't get to watch 18 hours of news reports about what happened and boil down the information into minute detail on a message board and talk about how they would so have been the heroes.

Until you live out their experience and do it differently you have no base from which to make such declarations. I don't care if you own a gun, or go to a shooting range, or want to be a Marine. Until you save the day you can't be so certain.

[Heibges]

I was reading "Jarhead" recently, and in the book he wets his pants every time they come under fire, not just once like in the movie.

You have no idea what you would do if you were in that situation, unless you have been in it.

It's easy to say you would be a big tough guy.