Two Male students watch gunman reload?
 

They stood there and watched him reload...

2 count'em... 2 Male students stood and watched the Asian mass murderer reload ...

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2 males... watched the dude empty his guns and begin to reload the last clip of the 9mm pistol

2 of 'em

2 males... maybe they should be called "Perfectly Urban Social Sissy Youth'S"

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I'm good at field striping then filling the mag on a 9mm hand gun... I can do it in 1 minute flat on a bad day...

So lets say this guys as good at weapons as I'am... I'll give him 30 secounds to eject and fill a 9mm clip

30 secounds ... 2 males watching ...just watching thats all...just watching

Crazy

Oh ffs.

Just like we cant analyse the gunman's behaviour using logical reasoning, we can't possibly understand what was going through the minds of those present.

Maybe they were scared. maybe the bodies and blood around them discouraged them. It's nice of you to call them "pussies", U-533. Tactful

Bam, there goes your best friend.
Bam, there goes that kid you always teased.
Bam, there goes that girl you had a crush on.
Bam, there goes that kid who thought you were cool.
Bam, there goes your girlfriend.

Would you be in any condition to do anything after that?

And what effect, exactly, does their gender have on the current situation?

We're not talking about trained soldiers, anyway. We're talking about engineering students in the middle of a class. I'd say panic is entirely understandable.

I just have to ask
 

If they tried to charge gunman, and at that moment he finishes his reload and blows both of them away, would you be calling them suicidal idiots instead?

No, but I would respect them even more if they did. At least they would have tried.

Anyways, like it was said:

~30 seconds to reload a magazine

Also, it takes some time (if you are relatively inexperienced) to drop the empty mag, pull the next one out of your pocket, line it up with the bottom of the hand-grip (That takes some time if you've got bad aim!), push it in, and either auto-charge it or "rack" it.

In that time, it's possible to get up, inflict a blow of choice (There's plenty of variety on the human body), and at least wrestle one of his pistols away.



Otherwise, I can understand the "fear" part.


Mixed feelings on this for me.

Somebody who already witnessed or knows what this criminal had done, and what he is about to continue doing, should do something about it. I would go so far as to consider them accomplices in the killing for not trying to stop the gunman, nor for at least trying to help others escape the massacre.

It's no different from watching a mugger stab his victim to death and not even dialing 911.

Pitiful.

Didn't some of them held a door shut with their feet while he shot through it?

Those did act and quite bravely so.

EDIT: Not worth it.

Crazy to make accusations like this about a situation nobody knows.

Maybe they dont know how long it takes to reload a gun. I have no idea if it takes 3 seconds of 3 minutes and thats without the stress of being shot at, stress of finding cover and confusion.

Given all that goes on these people may not know about guns, may be unsure how long he has been reloaded, maybe quite a distance away and hundreds of other possibilities.

By the time they realise hes stopped shooting, realise he's reloading i bet they havent been calmly thinking "he's only taken 19 seconds so far so 11 to go lets get him".

Stressful situations never happen calmly and well timed.

These guys are alive i assume in which case good for them - they managed to survive a horrific event.

Already saw the post Tchocky. My response:

Death Before Dishonor.

I don't speak my opinion unless I know what I'm talking about.

So you've been in their situation, or one like it? (not rhetorical, I'm curious)

people still died, and it wasn't as drawn out as something like this. It was over quite quickly.

I guess it depends on what was meant by reload.

If they meant he removed an empty magazine, stowed his weapon, opened a box of bullets, manually loaded 15 of them in the magazine, retrieved his weapon, inserted the magazine and manually worked the slide then I can understand your point. That takes a lot of time

If, on the other hand he ejected an empty magazine, inserted a loaded magazine and released the slide lock this can be done very quickly.

I have not read any reports on the number of magazines the shooter was carrying.

You did not mention how far these two students were from the gunman

Also there are reports the shooter had two handguns. While one was a 9mm the other was a .22 automatic. Both hurt.

So before I can judge these students, I would need a lot more information on the circumstances. Actually, even after getting a lot more information, I probably would not want to judge them.

I seriously doubt that these two students were standing right by the shooter while he was manually loading a magazine.

I am sure that there are a lot of people on the internet who would instantly disarm the shooter, braving certain death for the betterment of society, but the shooting did not take place on the internet. It was real life. and sadly in this case real death.

There are no saves nor reloads in real life. Nor can we alter the realism :(