X-play SHIV Review - Page 2

Fat Bhoy Tim · 04-17-07, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by leeclose

So the bit that annoys me ubi pay guys to to the bug finding guess they must have been off sick the last 6 or 12 months

Ubi makes sure they have products released at the end of every 90 published accounts cycle, whether it's ready or not.

Sir Big Jugs · 04-17-07, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by reallydedpoet

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Originally Posted by Sir Big Jugs

That's not too good.
What if SHIV will be a flop? Sales crashing?
I'm not too sure Ubi wants to make a SHV then?

X-Play has no credibility in my opinion, unless it is a FPS they don't really care

True, BUT does everyone know that?
They (like any other review) have an influence over potential buyers!

-SBJ

leeclose · 04-17-07, 08:50 AM

[quote=Fat Bhoy Tim
Ubi makes sure they have products released at the end of every 90 published accounts cycle, whether it's ready or not.[/quote]

Yeah a bad case of not Tim in this case

Iron Budokan · 04-17-07, 09:21 AM

X-Play gave SH3 a very high score when it came out. I've found they often rate games quite fairly, giving time between console games and PC. They are actually pretty rigorous in their ratings.

NefariousKoel · 04-17-07, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by reallydedpoet

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Originally Posted by Sir Big Jugs

That's not too good.
What if SHIV will be a flop? Sales crashing?
I'm not too sure Ubi wants to make a SHV then?

X-Play has no credibility in my opionion, unless it is a FPS they don't really care

Or yet another Mario themed game, which they seem to love.

Payoff · 04-17-07, 11:27 AM

They even did a comedy bit showing CTD after CTD after CTD after CTD. Followed by a rant that they are fed up with the whole WWII genre! It was'nt pretty.

Arrowhead2k1 · 04-17-07, 11:41 AM

X-Play, pfft... Those idiots are still on the air?

Ayari · 04-17-07, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Faamecanic

And if stores in the USA would take returns...Im sure there would have been A LOT more SH4 copies heading back to UBI....

UBI is just killing themselves with this garbage. Where is the pride in the quality of work one produces?? IF I ran my business like UBI does, I would be OUT of business in a month or two...

Not that IM defending the dork from X-Play..... he is a total gamer/console player moron....

QFT on all accounts.

And like Sir Big Jugs implies, UBI might not want to make another SH, or support SH4 for very long because of dipping sales. Which I don't think is/will be caused by the genre or time period, it will be because of poor quality control on UBI's part. Morgan and Adam might be tired of WWII, but there is a huge population of gamers still interested in it.

Scoochy · 04-17-07, 01:10 PM

Look at the age demographic x-play is directed at, then you will understand more of the reviews. The gamers that generally watch that show for the reviews are of the younger age that are not really interested in simming. It's probably best they aim their reviews to that demographic so they don't get hate mail from kids who buy Silent Hunter expecting some sort of arcade submarine shoot em up.

That and Adam/Morgan are a couple of annoying schmucks.....

Real simmers know where to go for accurate and intelligent reviews. And for me, those places are most certainly not the joke of a station like G4, Gamespot, and the like.....

joea · 04-17-07, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ayari

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Originally Posted by Faamecanic

And if stores in the USA would take returns...Im sure there would have been A LOT more SH4 copies heading back to UBI....

UBI is just killing themselves with this garbage. Where is the pride in the quality of work one produces?? IF I ran my business like UBI does, I would be OUT of business in a month or two...

Not that IM defending the dork from X-Play..... he is a total gamer/console player moron....

QFT on all accounts.

And like Sir Big Jugs implies, UBI might not want to make another SH, or support SH4 for very long because of dipping sales. Which I don't think is/will be caused by the genre or time period, it will be because of poor quality control on UBI's part. Morgan and Adam might be tired of WWII, but there is a huge population of gamers still interested in it.

Ok does anyone have proof SH4 is selling badly? I saw a lot of copies in stores to replace ones that had vanished a while ago.

OddjobXL · 04-17-07, 01:28 PM

I'll confess I haven't seen this episode but I generally like X-Play. If they're aiming at teenyboppers I guess the in-joke references to political and obscure cultural figures of bygone years implies the kids of today are much more savvy than I give them credit for. I laugh at the jokes but I do wonder who else gets 'em. Dennis Miller maybe?

Look, as has been pointed out X-Play did give SH3 four stars and it's hardly Final Fantasy fare. I'm guessing whoever writes the reviews had a very bad day and might not have gotten the premise of the game. Other folks have pointed out in this thread that the manual is really lacking. There is a particular way to approach playing subsims and if the manual doesn't provide for absolute beginners they're not necessarily going to get what they're supposed to be doing or how best to do it. If it was my review I'm sure a few strategically inconvenient CTDs would have me angry enough to only focus on the bad aspects of the game myself.

That said, it doesn't sound like they gave it a fair shot and that's not too unusual. I like the show, it's got personality, but I don't always pay attention to the reviews. They like things I wouldn't touch with a 10' pole and they'll rag on things for issues I find marginal. Everyone has a bad day sometimes and it sounds like Adam and Morgan were having a bad one with Silent Hunter.

mookiemookie · 04-17-07, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Payoff

They even did a comedy bit showing CTD after CTD after CTD after CTD.

Funny, I've had 2. Once when using the stadimeter (which has been fixed) and once while using the A key (also fixed.)

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Originally Posted by Payoff

Followed by a rant that they are fed up with the whole WWII genre! It was'nt pretty.

Great. Given that statement, I'm sure they gave it a nice unbiased review. What a bunch of idiots.

Payoff · 04-17-07, 02:02 PM

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mookiemookie
Funny, I've had 2. Once when using the stadimeter (which has been fixed) and once while using the A key (also fixed.)

Agreed. I've only had the A key Crash. I have found SHIV to be far more stable than SHIII on my rig.

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Scoochy
Real simmers know where to go for accurate and intelligent reviews. And for me, those places are most certainly not the joke of a station like G4, Gamespot, and the like.....

True, but tell that to the "Casual Gamer" who unfortunately we will all need in the form of sales to ensure some developer continues to produce simulations. This is just the kind of drivvle they dont need to see.

Scoochy · 04-17-07, 02:29 PM

Well, even the casual gamer, if concerned about reviews, should use more than one source as information before making a purchase. But I agree that uninformed reviews can hurt the sales of a game if taken for cold hard fact.

I remember a Gamespot review for a game called Over -G fighters for the Xbox 360. the reviewer actually said that only having a realistic amount of missles made the game boring. So instead of the game hitting the mark in the area of realism, it missed it by making it boring.

One reviewer cannot possibly have an unbiased and educated review about every genre on the market. When that happens you get ridiculous comments about a sub being able to submerge as "nifty"

MikeJW · 04-17-07, 04:52 PM

Its X-Play, an unimportant show on a network no one watches. We probably have more members than X-Play has audience. Didn't see it but if it was like their other reviews it started with a mindless rant about reviewing another WW2 game, then Adam makes an anti-Iraq war or anti-Bush statement, or maybe he was creative and makes a Dick Cheney joke, then a stupid skit with an intern all the while they replay the same 3 second in-game sound clip over and over and if we're lucky they didnt do a gay joke about seamen.

04-17-07, 08:50 AM	#18
leeclose Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 879 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	[quote=Fat Bhoy Tim Ubi makes sure they have products released at the end of every 90 published accounts cycle, whether it's ready or not.[/quote] Yeah a bad case of not Tim in this case __________________ “There are only two kinds of naval vessels - submarines, and targets.” Uber-Boot Dev Team

04-17-07, 09:21 AM	#19
Iron Budokan Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,778 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	X-Play gave SH3 a very high score when it came out. I've found they often rate games quite fairly, giving time between console games and PC. They are actually pretty rigorous in their ratings. __________________ "You will take on England wherever you find her ships, and you will break her power at sea." --Iron Coffins, Herbert A. Werner http://kennethmarkhoover.com

04-17-07, 11:27 AM	#21
Payoff Captain Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Nash Town, USA Posts: 525 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	They even did a comedy bit showing CTD after CTD after CTD after CTD. Followed by a rant that they are fed up with the whole WWII genre! It was'nt pretty. __________________ "Hit Shokaku class carrier with three out of six torpedos. Recieved 105 depth charges during three hour period. Heard four terrific explosions in the direction of target, two and one half hours after attack. Believe that baby sank!" Lieutenant Commander Herman Kossler USS Cavalla

04-17-07, 11:41 AM	#22
Arrowhead2k1 Torpedoman Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 112 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	X-Play, pfft... Those idiots are still on the air?

04-17-07, 01:10 PM	#24
Scoochy Sparky Join Date: May 2005 Location: San diego Ca. Posts: 150 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	Look at the age demographic x-play is directed at, then you will understand more of the reviews. The gamers that generally watch that show for the reviews are of the younger age that are not really interested in simming. It's probably best they aim their reviews to that demographic so they don't get hate mail from kids who buy Silent Hunter expecting some sort of arcade submarine shoot em up. That and Adam/Morgan are a couple of annoying schmucks..... Real simmers know where to go for accurate and intelligent reviews. And for me, those places are most certainly not the joke of a station like G4, Gamespot, and the like.....

04-17-07, 01:28 PM	#26
OddjobXL Torpedoman Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 119 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'll confess I haven't seen this episode but I generally like X-Play. If they're aiming at teenyboppers I guess the in-joke references to political and obscure cultural figures of bygone years implies the kids of today are much more savvy than I give them credit for. I laugh at the jokes but I do wonder who else gets 'em. Dennis Miller maybe? Look, as has been pointed out X-Play did give SH3 four stars and it's hardly Final Fantasy fare. I'm guessing whoever writes the reviews had a very bad day and might not have gotten the premise of the game. Other folks have pointed out in this thread that the manual is really lacking. There is a particular way to approach playing subsims and if the manual doesn't provide for absolute beginners they're not necessarily going to get what they're supposed to be doing or how best to do it. If it was my review I'm sure a few strategically inconvenient CTDs would have me angry enough to only focus on the bad aspects of the game myself. That said, it doesn't sound like they gave it a fair shot and that's not too unusual. I like the show, it's got personality, but I don't always pay attention to the reviews. They like things I wouldn't touch with a 10' pole and they'll rag on things for issues I find marginal. Everyone has a bad day sometimes and it sounds like Adam and Morgan were having a bad one with Silent Hunter.

04-17-07, 02:29 PM	#29
Scoochy Sparky Join Date: May 2005 Location: San diego Ca. Posts: 150 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	Well, even the casual gamer, if concerned about reviews, should use more than one source as information before making a purchase. But I agree that uninformed reviews can hurt the sales of a game if taken for cold hard fact. I remember a Gamespot review for a game called Over -G fighters for the Xbox 360. the reviewer actually said that only having a realistic amount of missles made the game boring. So instead of the game hitting the mark in the area of realism, it missed it by making it boring. One reviewer cannot possibly have an unbiased and educated review about every genre on the market. When that happens you get ridiculous comments about a sub being able to submerge as "nifty"

04-17-07, 04:52 PM	#30
MikeJW Helmsman Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 106 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Its X-Play, an unimportant show on a network no one watches. We probably have more members than X-Play has audience. Didn't see it but if it was like their other reviews it started with a mindless rant about reviewing another WW2 game, then Adam makes an anti-Iraq war or anti-Bush statement, or maybe he was creative and makes a Dick Cheney joke, then a stupid skit with an intern all the while they replay the same 3 second in-game sound clip over and over and if we're lucky they didnt do a gay joke about seamen.