Are the proper US aircraft ever going to make it in this Sim?

Charlie901 · 04-09-07, 11:16 AM

Whats up with the missing USN/USMC planes that were in the Pacific?

It seems that SHIII had a much better representation of US aircraft.

Are the current substandard list of US planes (Brittish Lancaster Bomber w/ upside down star, wth!) just placeholders until the Devs finish the lacking US A/C list?

Has there been any word on this being officially addressed?

Drebbel · 04-09-07, 11:54 AM

It sure would be great to have the correct aircraft. But my guess is that the dev-team had other worries that are more important.

Camaero · 04-09-07, 02:00 PM

Maybe there are copyright issues?

CCIP · 04-09-07, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Camaero

Maybe there are copyright issues?

That's what I thought too. Pacific fighters ran into this.

That said... not if the modders can do something about it!

Tigrone · 04-09-07, 04:44 PM

There are templates of both the Liberator and the Avenger in the Texture files, along with Hula girls and German war posters. I think there are even some mermaids. It's all very strange. I wonder if it's some devs personal collection?:hmm: The Liberator is there in Textures. Can it be swapped for the Lancaster, as the US general purpose bomber? Notice the date modified, it's recent.

The Avenger is there too. I could not find that wandering Lancaster though. They must be on a round-the-world flight.

There are so many ETO specific files in Textures that it makes me wonder if this was or is meant to be a platform for another game, maybe a SH5 rework of 3 with the new graphics? :hmm:

Here's another odd file in SH4 Textures, which looks like it was put in recently, and I don't think this is from SH3:

Werewolf13 · 04-09-07, 05:01 PM

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There are so many ETO specific files in Textures that it makes me wonder if this was or is meant to be a platform for another game, maybe a SH5 rework of 3 with the new graphics? :hmm:

What it means is that SH4 is an incomplete rework of SH3...

bookworm_020 · 04-09-07, 06:52 PM

I'm sure the Modders are working on a fix and some new aircraft as well!

Can't wait till I see a GWX for SH4!

rodan54 · 04-09-07, 09:54 PM

I also noticed there are textures for an F4F Wildcat and a SBD Dautless as well.

It's too bad about those planes being copyrighted, if that is indeed the reason behind them being substituted.

But either way, any omissions in the aircraft (and ships) department will surely be fixed by the modders in no time. :p

Now, if only I knew how to model, and add new units.

IsaanRanger · 04-09-07, 10:34 PM

What kind of copyrights would the planes have? Can anyone tell me about what Pacific Fighters ran into regarding copyright issues on aircraft?

They had to contact Boeing? (Douglas), LTV (Vought), Lockheed? to have WW2 planes?

Spin Doctor · 04-09-07, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by IsaanRanger

What kind of copyrights would the planes have? Can anyone tell me about what Pacific Fighters ran into regarding copyright issues on aircraft?

They had to contact Boeing? (Douglas), LTV (Vought), Lockheed? to have WW2 planes?

There was a big stink about this maybe a couple of years ago. I suppose the problem was that they didn't contact those aircraft companies before putting the planes in the Pacific Fighter sim.

I can't remember the details, but I personally suspect Microsoft was trying to squash the competition by stirring the pot since it was about the time they released their POS combat sim. It was never an issue in any other sim that had been released in the past, so why now?

Harry Buttle · 04-09-07, 11:26 PM

The Lancaster is an issue, but I'd much rather see the dev team work on the vast amount of show stopping problems in SH 4 before they waste one second on fixing it.

Charlie901 · 04-09-07, 11:27 PM

Wait a minute!!!

What about that recent "Pacific Storm" video game....didn't that have some of the aforementioned US Naval and USMC A/C in it.

It couldn't have been a copywrite problem for the devs/publishers on that title.

WFGood · 04-09-07, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

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Originally Posted by Camaero

Maybe there are copyright issues?

That's what I thought too. Pacific fighters ran into this.

That said... not if the modders can do something about it!

Aren't some of the US aircraft already in SH3? I can't see how it could be a copyright issue. I know this has been brought up before, but several recent games such as Battle of Midway and Pacific Storm have accurate US aircraft in them and named as such. It cannot be alright for those two companies but not Ubi unless they have either misunderstood something or really ticked someone off.

hmatthias · 04-10-07, 08:03 AM

Hula girls? I think we should replace the Lancaster textures with the Hula Girl texture!

joea · 04-10-07, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Spin Doctor

There was a big stink about this maybe a couple of years ago. I suppose the problem was that they didn't contact those aircraft companies before putting the planes in the Pacific Fighter sim.

I can't remember the details, but I personally suspect Microsoft was trying to squash the competition by stirring the pot since it was about the time they released their POS combat sim. It was never an issue in any other sim that had been released in the past, so why now?

:hmm:

04-09-07, 11:16 AM	#1
Charlie901 XO Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Posts: 413 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Are the proper US aircraft ever going to make it in this Sim? Whats up with the missing USN/USMC planes that were in the Pacific? It seems that SHIII had a much better representation of US aircraft. Are the current substandard list of US planes (Brittish Lancaster Bomber w/ upside down star, wth!) just placeholders until the Devs finish the lacking US A/C list? Has there been any word on this being officially addressed?

04-09-07, 02:00 PM	#3
Camaero The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA, Massachusetts Posts: 1,477 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	Maybe there are copyright issues? __________________

04-09-07, 04:44 PM	#5
Tigrone Commander Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 470 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	There are templates for the B24 and TBF in SH4. There are templates of both the Liberator and the Avenger in the Texture files, along with Hula girls and German war posters. I think there are even some mermaids. It's all very strange. I wonder if it's some devs personal collection?:hmm: The Liberator is there in Textures. Can it be swapped for the Lancaster, as the US general purpose bomber? Notice the date modified, it's recent. The Avenger is there too. I could not find that wandering Lancaster though. They must be on a round-the-world flight. There are so many ETO specific files in Textures that it makes me wonder if this was or is meant to be a platform for another game, maybe a SH5 rework of 3 with the new graphics? :hmm: Here's another odd file in SH4 Textures, which looks like it was put in recently, and I don't think this is from SH3: __________________ Commander Hiram Cassedy: "Tigrone has saved the Air Force and is now returning to Iwo Jima with 28 rescued zoomies." B-29 SNUFFY & THE SHIF'LESS SKONKS among them. I've a broom at the mast said he, for the broom is a sign for me, that wherever I go, I sweep the mighty sea.

04-09-07, 06:52 PM	#7
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	I'm sure the Modders are working on a fix and some new aircraft as well! Can't wait till I see a GWX for SH4! __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

04-09-07, 10:34 PM	#9
IsaanRanger Watch Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 15 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	Why copyright? What kind of copyrights would the planes have? Can anyone tell me about what Pacific Fighters ran into regarding copyright issues on aircraft? They had to contact Boeing? (Douglas), LTV (Vought), Lockheed? to have WW2 planes?

04-09-07, 11:54 AM	#2
Drebbel Dutch Sea Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Almost at periscope death ! Posts: 1,665 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	It sure would be great to have the correct aircraft. But my guess is that the dev-team had other worries that are more important.

04-09-07, 09:54 PM	#8
rodan54 Navy Dude Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: California, USA Posts: 176 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	I also noticed there are textures for an F4F Wildcat and a SBD Dautless as well. It's too bad about those planes being copyrighted, if that is indeed the reason behind them being substituted. But either way, any omissions in the aircraft (and ships) department will surely be fixed by the modders in no time. :p Now, if only I knew how to model, and add new units.

04-09-07, 11:26 PM	#11
Harry Buttle Soundman Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 144 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The Lancaster is an issue, but I'd much rather see the dev team work on the vast amount of show stopping problems in SH 4 before they waste one second on fixing it.

04-09-07, 11:27 PM	#12
Charlie901 XO Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Posts: 413 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Wait a minute!!! What about that recent "Pacific Storm" video game....didn't that have some of the aforementioned US Naval and USMC A/C in it. It couldn't have been a copywrite problem for the devs/publishers on that title.

04-10-07, 08:03 AM	#14
hmatthias Loader Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: United States Posts: 82 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Hula girls? I think we should replace the Lancaster textures with the Hula Girl texture!