*** Subsim's Silent Hunter 4 review *** - Page 2

Biggles · 04-07-07, 10:54 AM

A little easter-egg on the pic showing the sub-personal eh?

"why is there no spinach in this tin-can!?":rotfl: :rotfl:

Skweetis · 04-07-07, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Is the glass half-empty? Or half-full? Either way, when you're thirsty, there's water to be had in that glass.

My favorite quote from the review. Well done, Neal. Objective and honest as always.

Drebbel · 04-07-07, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Biggles

A little easter-egg on the pic showing the sub-personal eh?

"why is there no spinach in this tin-can!?":rotfl: :rotfl:

Oh man, go on, you are so close !

Takeda Shingen · 04-07-07, 11:34 AM

As always, a good review. Many thanks, Neal.

John Channing · 04-07-07, 11:39 AM

Very well done.

I hope it didn't ruin the game for you!

JCC

DJSatane · 04-07-07, 11:58 AM

I have a question about scoring:

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Mission Editor: 5/5

*I found the editor like you wrote* however without any documentation how can you give it a perfect score? Does it work perfectly? You didnt mention any details.

Also:

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Graphics: 10/10

How can you give the game perfect score in graphics if there are few major problems with it. There is the Environmental Effects "monolith" glitch that affects all cards throughly explained here: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=108938

Further, both problem with in game 3d resolution not being scalable to proper resolutions and inability to use AA. I understand giving it a score of maybe 8/10 or maybe even 9 but there is no way you can give the game a perfect 10 with those issues present. Perfect score in that department makes no sense. Maybe patches will fix this but right now they are not fixed and you have to review current state.

Bum · 04-07-07, 11:59 AM

I'm enjoying the game, and I know it should have gotten a few months more work.

Drebbel · 04-07-07, 12:03 PM

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but there is no way you can give the game a perfect 10 with those issues present.

The Onkel can, it is his opinion afterall

DJSatane · 04-07-07, 12:05 PM

You right its opinion, but I thought considering facts present it shouldnt be perfect thats all. about 9/10. Problem is I hope reviews like these dont stop UBI from continuing support. They will see graphics are perfect in review and say lets not fix any graphics since it seems they are perfect...

Safe-Keeper · 04-07-07, 12:10 PM

Now to look for easter eggs and start claiming prizes

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Drebbel · 04-07-07, 12:16 PM

Looks like most skippers need a refresher look out course

Gizzmoe · 04-07-07, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DJSatane

You right its opinion, but I thought considering facts present it shouldnt be perfect thats all.

I honestly was surprised as well that the graphics got a 10/10, in the current state SH4 doesn´t deserve that score. 8.5/10 would be ok, maybe even only 8/10.

Kresge · 04-07-07, 12:30 PM

I think Neal sums it up well:
"Submarine sim players know how many titles there are to choose from and anyone who lets a few flaws stop them from putting to sea in Silent Hunter 4 deserves to be left at the dock."

If all you want are pretty graphics please head immediately to the nearest store and purchase an Xbox or PS3 and stop filling this forum with whining! It has become so difficult to find any decent info on the game while trying to wade through all the useless moaning about the jaggies.

Drebbel · 04-07-07, 12:33 PM

All stand to attention: Onkel in the Thread !

Onkel Neal · 04-07-07, 12:39 PM

How can you give the game perfect score in graphics?

Well, 10/10 does not mean perfect, it means superb. On my PC, the graphics are better than Silent Service II, better than Aces, Sub Command, SH3, and most other current games I have played. Not perfect, but clearly superb, as good as any "eye candy is not the most important part of a subsim" guy would wish for.

(the FPS monolith will soon be a bad memory

)

But 100% means perfect for all normal human beings...

Think of it like this:

If you wrote a book or an essay, or a computer game,
and people thought, this is good
or this is great
or this is really superb, better than anything before it,
it still would never be perfect
unless it cured cancer and banished red triangles everywhere.

But according to maths 10/10 means 100%
Consider a 5 star game, or 5 star hotel, there are lots of 5 star hotels,
5/5 is 100% too.
But they are not perfect, they don't have Swedish hookers in every room.

Good topic for debate

cheers!
Neal

04-07-07, 10:54 AM	#16
Biggles Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sweden (I'm not a Viking...) Posts: 3,529 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	A little easter-egg on the pic showing the sub-personal eh? "why is there no spinach in this tin-can!?":rotfl: :rotfl: __________________

04-07-07, 12:05 PM	#24
DJSatane Electrician's Mate Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 140 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	You right its opinion, but I thought considering facts present it shouldnt be perfect thats all. about 9/10. Problem is I hope reviews like these dont stop UBI from continuing support. They will see graphics are perfect in review and say lets not fix any graphics since it seems they are perfect... __________________ DJSatane - https://twitter.com/DJSatane

04-07-07, 12:10 PM	#25
Safe-Keeper Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 3,234 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Now to look for easter eggs and start claiming prizes. __________________ First Strike Mod tester. Hardcore sub skipper.

04-07-07, 12:16 PM	#26
Drebbel Dutch Sea Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Almost at periscope death ! Posts: 1,665 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Looks like most skippers need a refresher look out course __________________ - The Floggings Will Continue Until Moral Improves -

04-07-07, 12:30 PM	#28
Kresge Engineer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Motor City Posts: 209 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	I think Neal sums it up well: "Submarine sim players know how many titles there are to choose from and anyone who lets a few flaws stop them from putting to sea in Silent Hunter 4 deserves to be left at the dock." If all you want are pretty graphics please head immediately to the nearest store and purchase an Xbox or PS3 and stop filling this forum with whining! It has become so difficult to find any decent info on the game while trying to wade through all the useless moaning about the jaggies. __________________ ". . . sailors do not fancy living underwater without breathing in sunshine occasionally." Commodore Joseph Smith commenting on the USS Monitor

04-07-07, 11:34 AM	#19
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	As always, a good review. Many thanks, Neal.

04-07-07, 11:39 AM	#20
John Channing Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 1998 Posts: 1,846 Downloads: 163 Uploads: 5	Very well done. I hope it didn't ruin the game for you! JCC

04-07-07, 11:59 AM	#22
Bum Gunner Join Date: May 2006 Location: Death Valley Posts: 97 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'm enjoying the game, and I know it should have gotten a few months more work.

04-07-07, 12:33 PM	#29
Drebbel Dutch Sea Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Almost at periscope death ! Posts: 1,665 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	All stand to attention: Onkel in the Thread ! __________________ - The Floggings Will Continue Until Moral Improves -

04-07-07, 12:39 PM	#30
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	How can you give the game perfect score in graphics? Well, 10/10 does not mean perfect, it means superb. On my PC, the graphics are better than Silent Service II, better than Aces, Sub Command, SH3, and most other current games I have played. Not perfect, but clearly superb, as good as any "eye candy is not the most important part of a subsim" guy would wish for. (the FPS monolith will soon be a bad memory ) But 100% means perfect for all normal human beings... Think of it like this: If you wrote a book or an essay, or a computer game, and people thought, this is good or this is great or this is really superb, better than anything before it, it still would never be perfect unless it cured cancer and banished red triangles everywhere. But according to maths 10/10 means 100% Consider a 5 star game, or 5 star hotel, there are lots of 5 star hotels, 5/5 is 100% too. But they are not perfect, they don't have Swedish hookers in every room. Good topic for debate cheers! Neal