Retired After 3 Missions In Gato, Feb. 1942?

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by malkuth74

No, the excuse of its what happened in real life is kinda silly. Its a game not real life.

This is still my favorite post of this thread. And this is the reasoning behind why I want my Gato to have lasers and nuclear torpedoes.

Realism is why we play simulation games. The "excuse" () of it's that way in real life is the AIM of a SIMULATION game. i.e. you're SIMULATING a REAL LIFE situation. At least that's why I play. I think the interpretation of reality is measured by the end results you get out of playing the game. If you set up certain rules and a gameplay system and end up being retired out after a successful 3 or 4 patrols, then you've mirrored real life results and have probably done a good job interpreting the reality of being a Pacific Sub Fleet skipper.

[Seadogs]

I think you've all missed the point. Yes there are short careers but given a certain set of variables you can be gauranteed to retire after your third patrol.

Lets get the bugs knocked out first before realism debates.

[Beery]

Originally Posted by Seadogs

I think you've all missed the point. Yes there are short careers but given a certain set of variables you can be gauranteed to retire after your third patrol.

Lets get the bugs knocked out first before realism debates.

What bug? Guaranteed retirement after three patrols is realistic if you perform poorly - and anyway the OP had not only done three patrols - he'd done three patrols in a Gato. As I understand it he'd done MORE patrols before that - read the OP again and read between the lines. He never says it was his third patrol - only that it was his boat's third patrol. For all we know the guy was on his 8th patrol when he got forced to retire.

I'll bet half of these complaints about early retirement are coming from folks who are going for tonnage rather than completing their mission assignments. It's possible the game puts a premium on patrol objectives and if you miss three in a row you get fired. Let's not go calling for nerfs when we're not even sure if there is a problem. This all could be caused by poor player strategy.

At the very least we need a balanced study of the problem. Running around shreiking "Bug!" is not going to help us get anywhere.

[Seadogs]

Originally Posted by Beery

What bug? Guaranteed retirement after three patrols is realistic if you perform poorly - and anyway the OP had not only done three patrols - he'd done only three patrols in a Gato. As I understand it he'd done MORE patrols before that.

I'm not trying to argue, honest.

All I am saying is that from my personal experience if I start a campaign in 1941 out of pearl or Manilla I get the option to upgrade to a Gato out of pearl after my second patrol. If I take the offer it is a 100% gaurantee that it will be my last patrol. However, if I stick with my current sub I will get more patrols out of it. There is definatly something fishy in there. (sorry for the spelling, wifes asleep, it's beer time)

And to add, I always go for my mission assignment, even if I spend all my fish enroute to it. Though my last six have been to patrol the phillipines

[Beery]

Originally Posted by Seadogs

All I am saying is that from my personal experience if I start a campaign in 1941 out of pearl or Manilla I get the option to upgrade to a Gato out of pearl after my second patrol. If I take the offer it is a 100% gaurantee that it will be my last patrol.

So you're saying that the game will force retirement on you after two patrols? Okay, then that is definitely a bug. Actually, you shouldn't get the choice of a Gato until about April 10th 1942, which is when the first Gato to go on a war patrol (Drum) left its base. I'm actually in the process of making the individual submarines conform to their actual dates in war service for RFB. It's a time consuming task and the Gatos and Balaos are last on the list (because there are so many of the darned things, LOL). But when it's done it should go some way towards reducing this problem (for those who use the mod).

But the OP wasn't saying that he was forced to retire after two or even three patrols. He was annoyed because the game didn't give him enough time in his Gato. We really don't know how many patrols he'd done - he doesn't tell us. He just says he did three in a Gato. But then everyone assumed he meant he did three patrols in total. My point is that he never said that. In fact when I read his post in context it made me suspect that the Gato was not his first boat.