they did it again

GoldenRivet · 04-06-07, 03:13 PM

Once more my sub has secumbed to the depth charges of the Japanese Navy.

This time i was running silent at 1 knot at a depth of 200 feet. after an hour of depth charging a location about 2 or 3 miles north of me the three destroyers suddenly made a B-line for my position and dropped a lethally accurate pattern of DCs right on me.

heavy flooding in a couple of compartments, light flooding in all compartments. tried my best with the POS damage control interface. no results

sank to 1300 feet, struck the bottom. blew every cubic inch of compressed air in the tank all the way down.

BUT - according to the end game footage ... somehow i have retired from the navy - taken a staff position - wrote memiors about my exploits in the navy and lived long enough to have grand children.

WHAT - THE - F - EVER

im going to set up a cooler of beer and watch TV for a while

SH4 has some issues to work through . I'll continue to play this GAME though but only when taking a break from the SIMULATION called SH3

NefariousKoel · 04-06-07, 03:16 PM

LOL

They need to fix those end-game screens haha.

GoldenRivet · 04-06-07, 03:18 PM

PS - i KNOW i was under the thermal layer - because some damned fool on the sub said "PASSING THERMAL LAYER" about 247 times in a row.

hey- UBI!!! IF IT AINT BROKE DONT FIX IT

joea · 04-06-07, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

SH4 has some issues to work through . I'll continue to play this GAME though but only when taking a break from the SIMULATION called SH3

SH3 is only a simulation because of 3 patches or so and the dedicated work of dozens of modders. Give it time, SH4 might even surpass it in some areas.

GoldenRivet · 04-06-07, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joea

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

SH4 has some issues to work through . I'll continue to play this GAME though but only when taking a break from the SIMULATION called SH3

SH3 is only a simulation because of 3 patches or so and the dedicated work of dozens of modders. Give it time, SH4 might even surpass it in some areas.

I know - im sorry its mostyl just that it has been miller time at my house for like 2 hours now

toby66 · 04-06-07, 04:32 PM

Once more my sub has secumbed to the depth charges of the Japanese Navy.

When did that happen to you? '42, '43, '44? What do you all think? Does the game take into account that the Japanese had more experience in the later war years? Do they get tougher? I started my two careers at the early war and so far i didn't face much danger.

GoldenRivet · 04-06-07, 04:40 PM

Hmmm think it was 42 but i dont remember

donut · 04-06-07, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Once more my sub has secumbed to the depth charges of the Japanese Navy.

This time i was running silent at 1 knot at a depth of 200 feet. after an hour of depth charging a location about 2 or 3 miles north of me the three destroyers suddenly made a B-line for my position and dropped a lethally accurate pattern of DCs right on me.

heavy flooding in a couple of compartments, light flooding in all compartments. tried my best with the POS damage control interface. no results

sank to 1300 feet, struck the bottom. blew every cubic inch of compressed air in the tank all the way down.

BUT - according to the end game footage ... somehow i have retired from the navy - taken a staff position - wrote memiors about my exploits in the navy and lived long enough to have grand children.

WHAT - THE - F - EVER

im going to set up a cooler of beer and watch TV for a while

SH4 has some issues to work through . I'll continue to play this GAME though but only when taking a break from the SIMULATION called SH3

Reduced Depth Charges Lethal Radius:
http://rapidshare.com/files/23169672...H_IV_.zip.html Also read,
Reduced Depth Charges Lethal Radius Help's on the way here!

(Redwine)"We played some missions, now with the tweaked depth charges, they produce lethal damage when they explodes near the sub, not as before, when they was able to kill the sub exploding at 30 meters. Default depth charges have a lthal radius random between 4.5m and 40m, 40 is terrible unrealistic, in SH2 and SH3 we discovered historical information about the mos extensive used depth charge, the 420lb has a lethal radius on a hull of 3/4 inch and 1 inch of about 4m..... for TNT, and this value rise up up to 7m into AMTOLor MINOL at later war times".

nattydread · 04-06-07, 06:12 PM

I assume the super DCs is to make up for the limited ability of the AI(I assume to be intuitive and abstract). Without it, the AI would never be good enough to present a real threat to us.

The 40m radius is to likly to create the illusion of a very accurate drop when in fact the AI cant do it, or a lucky drop, or a DD skipper who intuitivly anticipates what the sub will do and places DCs outside of the normal proedure.

TheSatyr · 04-06-07, 06:28 PM

Wonder what the explosive effects of the Japanese 600lb DC was. Would have been worse than the 420lber for sure.

davejb · 04-06-07, 08:25 PM

I've been DC'd about 3 times like this in a wekk - it's not a common feature, therefore, in my experience but it IS darned annoying when it happens. Due to a previous bad experience when a Japanese trawlerman made rude gestures at my scope I decided to sit at 150-160ft and listen to sonar during daylight hours in future. So that's what I was doing earlier today - err - yesterday rather - and I started getting sonar bearings from a small convoy. Plotting it all out, whilst sitting at dead stop, 150ft, I realised they were heading right over me - great I thought - no need to start up.

From the blue sonar bearings I could see there were a couple of merch's and three escorts - only one escort showing to the rear, seemed close in, I figured I'd rise gently from the deep and bang a salvo off from behind. Before I could announce my brilliant plan to the XO, ie before I'd done ANYTHING at all, a DD ran overhead, dropped bang on top of me, and killeded me stone dead. No active sonar pinging, the guy just motored 10nm or so south, set his DC's to 150ft, and deaded me.

I loaded a previous save, zoomed back to the area, went to 250ft and sat there with everything off and ran TC until the convoy came over again. This time they dropped the DC's set to 250ft.

Now the only thing I can think of to explain this is that either that big orange floating symbol really is an aid to otherwise incompetent AI escorts, or now and again the AI is allowed to peek. I cannot understand how it could be otherwise - I gave no detection opportunity, no aircraft spotted me at any time - and even if I had a big orange float tied unwittingly to my boat's sail that wouldn't explain how they could reset the depth accurately without pinging me first.

Quillan · 04-06-07, 11:02 PM

I'm assuming this carried over from SH3, but depth charges in game don't have a depth setting, as I understand it. They drop from the ship, fall to the depth of your boat, and explode. All they have to do is drop them in the correct place.

NefariousKoel · 04-06-07, 11:46 PM

The way AI sonar works, from what I understand, is if you're within a certain range modified by how much of your side is showing... passive sonar will pick you up no matter how fast you're going. The escorts will switch to attack even if you're not making any noise.

That's the first I've heard of the depth on the DCs but if an enemy destroyer is driving right over my position.. all ahead flank, dive, and full rudder.

Beery · 05-01-07, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donut

Reduced Depth Charges Lethal Radius:
http://rapidshare.com/files/23169672...H_IV_.zip.html Also read,
Reduced Depth Charges Lethal Radius Help's on the way here!

(Redwine)"We played some missions, now with the tweaked depth charges, they produce lethal damage when they explodes near the sub, not as before, when they was able to kill the sub exploding at 30 meters. Default depth charges have a lthal radius random between 4.5m and 40m...

You're joking! 40m? Jeez! I thought SH3 was bad. Is this Redwine's fix? I'll have to look at that for RFB because I'm getting pounded by uber-accurate DC drops. So far I have two careers under my belt, both subs were forced to the surface through damage from destroyers who know exactly where my sub is.

ccruner13 · 05-01-07, 10:23 PM

i had the same deal. i can only assume that me turning off battlestations and some ignoramus rang a loud ass bell and yelled over the speakers and the dds heard that because there would be no other explanation? and since i was running silent there should be no noise like that eh? weak...not to mention i was practically resting on the ocean floor so on top of whatever the thermal layer adds to my hiddenness so should that have.

04-06-07, 03:13 PM	#1
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	they did it again Once more my sub has secumbed to the depth charges of the Japanese Navy. This time i was running silent at 1 knot at a depth of 200 feet. after an hour of depth charging a location about 2 or 3 miles north of me the three destroyers suddenly made a B-line for my position and dropped a lethally accurate pattern of DCs right on me. heavy flooding in a couple of compartments, light flooding in all compartments. tried my best with the POS damage control interface. no results sank to 1300 feet, struck the bottom. blew every cubic inch of compressed air in the tank all the way down. BUT - according to the end game footage ... somehow i have retired from the navy - taken a staff position - wrote memiors about my exploits in the navy and lived long enough to have grand children. WHAT - THE - F - EVER im going to set up a cooler of beer and watch TV for a while SH4 has some issues to work through . I'll continue to play this GAME though but only when taking a break from the SIMULATION called SH3

04-06-07, 03:16 PM	#2
NefariousKoel Ace of the Deep Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: No-good Missouri scum Posts: 1,223 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	LOL They need to fix those end-game screens haha. __________________ "When Gary told me he had found Jesus, I thought, Yahoo! We're rich! But it turned out to be something different." - Jack Handey

04-06-07, 04:32 PM	#6
toby66 A-ganger Join Date: May 2005 Location: navis longa Posts: 73 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	Once more my sub has secumbed to the depth charges of the Japanese Navy. When did that happen to you? '42, '43, '44? What do you all think? Does the game take into account that the Japanese had more experience in the later war years? Do they get tougher? I started my two careers at the early war and so far i didn't face much danger. __________________

04-06-07, 11:02 PM	#12
Quillan Samurai Navy Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 579 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	I'm assuming this carried over from SH3, but depth charges in game don't have a depth setting, as I understand it. They drop from the ship, fall to the depth of your boat, and explode. All they have to do is drop them in the correct place. __________________ We, the unwilling, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, for so long, with so little, that we are now qualified to do anything with nothing.

04-06-07, 11:46 PM	#13
NefariousKoel Ace of the Deep Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: No-good Missouri scum Posts: 1,223 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	The way AI sonar works, from what I understand, is if you're within a certain range modified by how much of your side is showing... passive sonar will pick you up no matter how fast you're going. The escorts will switch to attack even if you're not making any noise. That's the first I've heard of the depth on the DCs but if an enemy destroyer is driving right over my position.. all ahead flank, dive, and full rudder. __________________ "When Gary told me he had found Jesus, I thought, Yahoo! We're rich! But it turned out to be something different." - Jack Handey

04-06-07, 03:18 PM	#3
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	PS - i KNOW i was under the thermal layer - because some damned fool on the sub said "PASSING THERMAL LAYER" about 247 times in a row. hey- UBI!!! IF IT AINT BROKE DONT FIX IT

04-06-07, 04:40 PM	#7
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	Hmmm think it was 42 but i dont remember

04-06-07, 06:12 PM	#9
nattydread Captain Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 498 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	I assume the super DCs is to make up for the limited ability of the AI(I assume to be intuitive and abstract). Without it, the AI would never be good enough to present a real threat to us. The 40m radius is to likly to create the illusion of a very accurate drop when in fact the AI cant do it, or a lucky drop, or a DD skipper who intuitivly anticipates what the sub will do and places DCs outside of the normal proedure.

04-06-07, 06:28 PM	#10
TheSatyr Captain Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 545 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Wonder what the explosive effects of the Japanese 600lb DC was. Would have been worse than the 420lber for sure.

04-06-07, 08:25 PM	#11
davejb Sailor man Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Forres, Scotland Posts: 49 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	I've been DC'd about 3 times like this in a wekk - it's not a common feature, therefore, in my experience but it IS darned annoying when it happens. Due to a previous bad experience when a Japanese trawlerman made rude gestures at my scope I decided to sit at 150-160ft and listen to sonar during daylight hours in future. So that's what I was doing earlier today - err - yesterday rather - and I started getting sonar bearings from a small convoy. Plotting it all out, whilst sitting at dead stop, 150ft, I realised they were heading right over me - great I thought - no need to start up. From the blue sonar bearings I could see there were a couple of merch's and three escorts - only one escort showing to the rear, seemed close in, I figured I'd rise gently from the deep and bang a salvo off from behind. Before I could announce my brilliant plan to the XO, ie before I'd done ANYTHING at all, a DD ran overhead, dropped bang on top of me, and killeded me stone dead. No active sonar pinging, the guy just motored 10nm or so south, set his DC's to 150ft, and deaded me. I loaded a previous save, zoomed back to the area, went to 250ft and sat there with everything off and ran TC until the convoy came over again. This time they dropped the DC's set to 250ft. Now the only thing I can think of to explain this is that either that big orange floating symbol really is an aid to otherwise incompetent AI escorts, or now and again the AI is allowed to peek. I cannot understand how it could be otherwise - I gave no detection opportunity, no aircraft spotted me at any time - and even if I had a big orange float tied unwittingly to my boat's sail that wouldn't explain how they could reset the depth accurately without pinging me first.

05-01-07, 10:23 PM	#15
ccruner13 Navy Dude Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 175 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	i had the same deal. i can only assume that me turning off battlestations and some ignoramus rang a loud ass bell and yelled over the speakers and the dds heard that because there would be no other explanation? and since i was running silent there should be no noise like that eh? weak...not to mention i was practically resting on the ocean floor so on top of whatever the thermal layer adds to my hiddenness so should that have.