This is probably why SH4 medals are not historical correct !

[Drebbel]

Maybe the DOD is too busy. But if it is law then any US citizen could use this law to take UBI to court. Or am I wrong ?

[akdavis]

FYI, whether it would hold up in court or not is irrelevant. If the Ubi lawyers think there is even a possibility of the content prompting any form of legal action, then they will bar inclusion of the content. The likelihood of someone taking action or the potential outcome of a lawsuit is irrelevant.

There are other rather clear signs of this in the game...

[Snowman999]

FYI, whether it would hold up in court or not is irrelevant. If the Ubi lawyers think there is even a possibility of the content prompting any form of legal action, then they will bar inclusion of the content. The likelihood of someone taking action or the potential outcome of a lawsuit is irrelevant.

Do any of the crew show rank insignia? Officers with railroad tracks, PO crows? We've already seen an obsolete USMC insignia. If the Weapons Officer has bars on his collar that's a more literal violation of this statute than any medal would be.

[WFGood]

Originally Posted by Snowman999

Do any of the crew show rank insignia? Officers with railroad tracks, PO crows? We've already seen an obsolete USMC insignia. If the Weapons Officer has bars on his collar that's a more literal violation of this statute than any medal would be.

I think you may be on to something there. Look at Battle of Midway, I thought they perhaps had not researched military/USN rank and uniform insignia for the game, but this could explain it. It has to be pretty easy to obtain permission though, since hundreds of movies and games have used the correct wares.

[Snowman999]

I think you may be on to something there. Look at Battle of Midway, I thought they perhaps had not researched military/USN rank and uniform insignia for the game, but this could explain it. It has to be pretty easy to obtain permission though, since hundreds of movies and games have used the correct wares.

The test, at least as far back as "Top Gun" has been if the work shows the US military in a truthful, positive light. If it does DoD will bend over backwards through liason offices to aid the producers. They loan hardware, allow access to bases and ships for shooting, and provide on-set technical advisors. "Stargate SG-1" DVD commentary tracks often talk about the Air Force guy who has veto power over things in scripts. Since they want to keep using Air Force gear, ranks, and toys they change whatever is objectionable.

I can't see what in SH4 DoD could have kittens over, except perhaps that mournful opening sequence.

[Chuck B.]

The test, at least as far back as "Top Gun" has been if the work shows the US military in a truthful, positive light.

I can see Top Gun being described as "positive" when it comes to the image of the US military that it emits, but I had to smile when I read "thruthful"

[Snowman999]

Originally Posted by Chuck B.

I can see Top Gun being described as "positive" when it comes to the image of the US military that it emits, but I had to smile when I read "thruthful"

I'm with you on that . . .

The one exception to truthful that DoD balked at, that I'm aware of, was "Crimson Tide" (ob submarine ref.) The script involved loss of control over nuclear weapons authority (among other howlers), so the Navy didn't lend any assistance. The resulting mis-mash (stock footage of various subs including a 688, uniform mistakes like the COB wearing an officer's cover, rotating red lights inside the hull, a dog pissing on missile tubes, etc.) still leads to real sub crews watching it in a Rocky Horror-esqe manner.

[tommyk]

Originally Posted by Snowman999

I can't see what in SH4 DoD could have kittens over, except perhaps that mournful opening sequence.

jepp, and I guess they would be happy to see it replaced with an opening like the one done by CaptainCox...

[Snowman999]

Originally Posted by tommyk

jepp, and I guess they would be happy to see it replaced with an opening like the one done by CaptainCox...

Where or what is this one?

[davejb]

Well I don't see what all the fuss is about, I've sunk a variety of Japanese ships - from Shokaku down to a trawler that looked at me funny, and I've had some truly splendiferous medals handed down to me by a grateful admiral. Let's see, I got the wound medal, the patrol medal, the golden wazooney, err, I think I got one for spelling...there was a bronze something in there as well I think .... what's not to like?

I got a real medal (well, I got two real ones, but the second was primarily for not getting caught doing bad things) and my real 'went somewhere moderately at risk' medal has a sheep on it - now, call me silly if you will, but I'd much rather have one with a submarine on it than a sheep. I've always considered in game medal ceremonies a bit lame - I mean, if you got 230 volts from the mouse when your sub got nerfed then maybe, but who cares what a bunch of pixels thinks?

[WFGood]

Originally Posted by davejb

Well I don't see what all the fuss is about, I've sunk a variety of Japanese ships - from Shokaku down to a trawler that looked at me funny, and I've had some truly splendiferous medals handed down to me by a grateful admiral. Let's see, I got the wound medal, the patrol medal, the golden wazooney, err, I think I got one for spelling...there was a bronze something in there as well I think .... what's not to like?

I got a real medal (well, I got two real ones, but the second was primarily for not getting caught doing bad things) and my real 'went somewhere moderately at risk' medal has a sheep on it - now, call me silly if you will, but I'd much rather have one with a submarine on it than a sheep. I've always considered in game medal ceremonies a bit lame - I mean, if you got 230 volts from the mouse when your sub got nerfed then maybe, but who cares what a bunch of pixels thinks?

I think for some people it is a matter of 'realism.' Yes, in the real world some medals seem to be given for nonsensical things. I received one for excellence in leadership as a junior officer. (Didn't have a sheep on it though.)

[AVGWarhawk]

I believe the DOD would have to press charges. But...to what end? Ubi is cautious because some airplane manufactures went after UBI because IL2 was going to put some of their WW2 planes in the game. Same people went after MS for CFS2. This was a company and not the DOD. I believe the DOD would not care one way or the other.

Like I said, I can get a Purple Heart medal, just like the real thing at a store in my neck of the woods.

[Rykaird]

OK, it's been a long, long time, but I'm pretty sure in one of the old flight sims - either Microprose's F117 Stealth Fighter or LucasArts Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe (playing on the US side) - I was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor. So it isn't unprecedented to use the real medals.

[shad43]

Originally Posted by Rykaird

OK, it's been a long, long time, but I'm pretty sure in one of the old flight sims - either Microprose's F117 Stealth Fighter or LucasArts Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe (playing on the US side) - I was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor. So it isn't unprecedented to use the real medals.

This was well before Clinton changed the law

And really whats the diff, wounded medal/purple heart... we know what its for.

[Deep Six]

Janes Simulations always had the "Correct Medal"....One of the best games ever...Apache Longbow...had the real deal with medal.....OMG was that a great game...Bought my first full on "Thrustmaster & Throttle" (F16 series)..Cost an arm and a leg in them days solid metal footing...weighed a ton!!!


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