Burn the flag.

[The Munster]

Originally Posted by August

C'mon Wxman, don't surgar coat it. Tell us how you really feel...

:rotfl:

[Jimbuna]

Oh dear! oh dear! oh dear!........I wonder how long this debate will last :hmm:

[The Munster]

Has to be a candidate for a sticky :rotfl:

[August]

Originally Posted by gnirtS

Thats their fault for being oversensitive and intolerant towards others views.

And what views would those be? Besides of course how fun it is to irritate others I mean...

[gnirtS]

Condemning someone that has an alternative viewpoint to them such as someone burning a flag for starters.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by 1mPHUNit0

Flasgs are not peoples
Flags are governaments
Governaments are not peoples will

Ahh, wrong answer! Governments are very much the people, and they do project the peoples will. At least democratic ones are, since if they don't they do not get re-elected. That is how it works.

The simple answer is - you burn my flag, and you burn my desire to help you one iotta!

-S

[Sailor Steve]

Yes, the American flag is the symbol of everything America (and Americans) stands for. Unfortunately, the main thing America stands for is freedom. Individual liberty. Freedom to criticize and condemn, if that's the way you feel.

In order to protect the symbol of that freedom, are you willing to outlaw the freedom itself?

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by 1mPHUNit0

I have burned flags
and you know which and why i suppose
A Palestinian like many

If I would see you burn Finland´s flag, I would come and rip your head off. For Finns the flag is holy, a sacred thing that reminds us of the cost we payed to keep our independence.

Oh, and I´m not joking, I would kick you butt HARD.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Kpt. Munson

Has to be a candidate for a sticky :rotfl:

Heaven forbid

[TteFAboB]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Yes, the American flag is the symbol of everything America (and Americans) stands for. Unfortunately, the main thing America stands for is freedom. Individual liberty. Freedom to criticize and condemn, if that's the way you feel.

In order to protect the symbol of that freedom, are you willing to outlaw the freedom itself?

That's not all there is to it. Sailor Steve, what is a flag, considered in its material constitution? A bunch of fabric sewn together. You can't have a one-threaded flag, you need alot of threads arranged together to make a flag.

The freedom to burn a flag is only one thread of the issue. If you're free to burn a flag, what are you complaining about? It's not about flags then. So the other threads are the people who are burning it and why they are doing it, and chances are they're connected to a bunch of other people through other threads, such as the thread of the common goal. They don't seek to criticize or condemn. They seek rupture. These are those that deny the right of opposition, those that seek to eliminate freedom because they believe to be the vanguard of history. They use the freedom you grant them to, once in power, deny you this same freedom. They need to break free from you, because their freedom ends where yours begin. In this case, flag burning is a mere distraction to drive your focus away from them and from their goals to matters of elementary freedom. And you defend their right to burn a flag while they carry on calling for the death of a President, praising Jihad, ripping the constitution apart and claiming that opposition to them is illegitimate, thus creating confront and upheaval. Hardly people who value freedom, especially anybody else's.

The point Steve, is that you can burn a flag. But they can't. Because you recognize their right to exist, to live and to speak and you don't seek to eliminate or silence anybody. But they don't recognize yours. Personally, I'm against any law that outlaws flag-burning because that would only help them accomplish their goals, further driving the focus away from the important points to the irrelevance of the right to burn a flag.

[August]

Originally Posted by gnirtS

Condemning someone that has an alternative viewpoint to them such as someone burning a flag for starters.

Condeming them to what? Our scorn? Our lack of support? Sorry. Perhaps you ought to realize just what message you're saying to others when you burn their symbol.

[August]

Originally Posted by TteFAboB

That's not all there is to it. Sailor Steve, what is a flag, considered in its material constitution? A bunch of fabric sewn together. You can't have a one-threaded flag, you need alot of threads arranged together to make a flag.

The freedom to burn a flag is only one thread of the issue. If you're free to burn a flag, what are you complaining about? It's not about flags then. So the other threads are the people who are burning it and why they are doing it, and chances are they're connected to a bunch of other people through other threads, such as the thread of the common goal. They don't seek to criticize or condemn. They seek rupture. These are those that deny the right of opposition, those that seek to eliminate freedom because they believe to be the vanguard of history. They use the freedom you grant them to, once in power, deny you this same freedom. They need to break free from you, because their freedom ends where yours begin. In this case, flag burning is a mere distraction to drive your focus away from them and from their goals to matters of elementary freedom. And you defend their right to burn a flag while they carry on calling for the death of a President, praising Jihad, ripping the constitution apart and claiming that opposition to them is illegitimate, thus creating confront and upheaval. Hardly people who value freedom, especially anybody else's.

The point Steve, is that you can burn a flag. But they can't. Because you recognize their right to exist, to live and to speak and you don't seek to eliminate or silence anybody. But they don't recognize yours. Personally, I'm against any law that outlaws flag-burning because that would only help them accomplish their goals, further driving the focus away from the important points to the irrelevance of the right to burn a flag.

This post deserves not to get buried on the preceeding page.

[gnirtS]

[quote=August]

Originally Posted by gnirtS

Perhaps you ought to realize just what message you're saying to others when you burn their symbol.

Thats their problem for being entirely intolerant of someone that may have an opposite viewpoint to their own. If someone chooses to be offended, thats their choice. However someone has just as much right to make a statement by burning a flag as the other side have to make a statement by standing behind it.

[August]

Originally Posted by gnirtS

Thats their problem for being entirely intolerant of someone that may have an opposite viewpoint to their own. If someone chooses to be offended, thats their choice. However someone has just as much right to make a statement by burning a flag as the other side have to make a statement by standing behind it.

So nothing anyone could say to you can ever possibly offend you? That's hard to believe.

Originally Posted by August

So nothing anyone could say to you can ever possibly offend you? That's hard to believe.

I suspect the fellow doesn't believe in anything.

'If you don't stand for something you will fall for anything'.

EDIT: I take that back. gnirtS believes in upsetting people who do believe in something. I would let it go. His only contribution is to your ire.