no more "reality"...

bradclark1 · 04-03-07, 08:44 AM

Lets hope the U.S. follows. I don't watch tv but the wife does. Every time I think they can't come up with another reality subject they do.

Skybird · 04-03-07, 09:10 AM

Do like I do, make your own program. I just bought the latest "The Professionals" DVD box and the final season of "Twin Peaks". I always think twice before switching to current TV programs... Plan to get the old "Robin of Sherwood" series as well, at least the first two seasons before the protagonist changed (planning that since long...

).

And no - no Star Trek series DVDs over here

Only VHS recordings of the movies.

Kapitan_Phillips · 04-03-07, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Do like I do, make your own program. I just bought the latest "The Professionals" DVD box and the final season of "Twin Peaks". I always think twice before switching to current TV programs... Plan to get the old "Robin of Sherwood" series as well, at least the first two seasons before the protagonist changed (planning that since long...

).

And no - no Star Trek series DVDs over here

Only VHS recordings of the movies.

I have season one and two of Starsky and Hutch

STEED · 04-03-07, 01:01 PM

Reality shows are made for the brain dead and sad acts. And there is a lot of them in the UK thats why these shows rule TV.

Skybird · 04-03-07, 01:14 PM

I consider daily soaps, sit coms and reality shows to be a mental health hazard. Seriously, and talking as an ex-psychologist. If you eat bad food, you get weak and/or ill. But with mental and intellectual input, it should be different...? "Modernes Fernsehen verblödet."

STEED · 04-03-07, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

I consider daily soaps, sit coms and reality shows to be a mental health hazard. Seriously, and talking as an ex-psychologist. If you eat bad food, you get weak and/or ill. But with mental and intellectual input, it should be different...? "Modernes Fernsehen verblödet."

No complaints here Skybird, you got my vote.

August · 04-03-07, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

I consider daily soaps, sit coms and reality shows to be a mental health hazard. Seriously, and talking as an ex-psychologist. If you eat bad food, you get weak and/or ill. But with mental and intellectual input, it should be different...? "Modernes Fernsehen verblödet."

I agree totally. I have a classroom full of people who can tell you who won the last Star Search but few of them know how to do long division.

Mush Martin · 04-03-07, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

I have season one and two of Starsky and Hutch

Give My Regards to Huggy Bear

Skybird · 04-03-07, 05:31 PM

You guys oversee one thing: looking TV is no one-way road, but it feeds back on the viewer, like almost all sensual input. You may think that if the plebs in the street demands some crap format, it will just be freedom of speech and that it should be honoured by delivering them what they want. But it will lead to a constant detoriating of overall quality in TV - and that is what I see happening since roughly twenty years now. Leave the decision about quality to quotas only, and you will soon have garbage TV the sort of that we now have.

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Not every vulgarity needs to be delivered, not every shamelessness needs to be pleased, just because some mobs in the streets call for them. Better educate the mobs.

By saying no, and leave them no choice than to consume better quality, or not consume at all.

Hell, we are not talking about the prohibition of political magazines, suppression of opinions on scientific opinions, and the censoring of cultural programs! Don't make this bigger than it is. We are talking about crap. C-R-A-P. Was it an attack on free press when in Germany many years ago the display of naked women on regular mainstream magazine's frontpages (not things like Penthouse or Playboy) was regulated and for the most, banned? By far it was not. Such stuff is still there. but salesmen no longer position it in the first and unhidden rows of their newspaper stands, like before.

Why is it that every piece of sh!t today gets excused and it's spreading is tolerated - always in the name of defending free speech and some undiscriminating tolerance for all and everything, no matter how bad or or stupid or dangerous or hostile it is? If that would work, why is the movie scene becoming more and more stereotypic and reduced to some cash-making schemes, and why is TV quality in free fall since so many years?

Allow open inflation of lacking quality, and you will get exactly an inflation of bad quality. See what you get so far.

Accept increasing brutalising and coarsen in medias, manners, and content in general - and you will get an increasing brutalising and coarsening of society. No wonder that more and more people are so simple-minded and show so bad manners, especially amongst the young ones.

"Eine Verrohung der Inhalte führt zu einer Verrohung der Sitten." If you read Shakespeare, you will foster the education of a certain development level of mind. If you read a primitive porn novel, you will Foster the education of a different level of mind. Which one would you choose?

Always putting things into relations until no more standards are left. Always rejecting any standards at all, and always saying that every standard, no matter what, is as valuable and must be found as worthy as any other given standard. Always being tolerant on everything, even if unlimited tolerance is only possible by completely giving up any values, any identity, and every stand of oneself. Bah. No wonder that this culture of ours is going to hell. It rots from within.

Rykaird · 04-03-07, 06:34 PM

The reason people defend almost anything in the name of free speech is because there is no universal standard of what constitutes "crap."

Simple example - the tv show South Park. The only episode I saw, someone hid a nuclear bomb in Hilary Clinton's private parts, and the Queen of England stuck a gun in her mouth and blew her brains out all over the wall. I found it pretty vulgar, and won't watch the show again. But should it be banned? There are millions who think it is hilarious. Who's right? Who decides? For me, I'd rather just elect to change the channel rather than cede to the government the right to decide what is "crap."

Should the Bush government decide for the American public what is "crap" and what is "educational"? Are you SURE that's the model that you want - that the government decides, as the Italian government just did on reality shows?

You can wail about declining standards (by the way, I happen to think the quality of tv programming is at an all time high right now - please revisit the 1970s and tell me that tv was so much better then) - but it still comes down to a question of power and authority.

With the exception of certain known social standards, I would rather use rating systems and market pressures to determine publishing standards. You talk about educating the public - OK, but who decides what they get educated on? There's an entire army of folks who think we should be teaching young children that homosexual relationships are a good thing. I disagree. Who decides?

One day a liberal government mandates educating children on homosexuality and four years later a conservative one eliminates discussions of evolution. Sorry, I just don't want them to have that control. You can say we aren't talking about such key issues - that this is just about crap tv - but there is no way to divide that level of authority so finely. You can't give the government the right to ban tv shows that are deemed to be not helpful to the masses, but only if they don't discussions on science, or education, or religion, etc. Sorry, the lawyers will then jump in and re-label anything the way they want it.

Your entire argument hinges on this idea that you happen to know what's best, that it is so obvious that reality tv is crap and should be banned. But you aren't the person making the call - its the government. There's no ballot measure where the majority gets to decide. Tomorrow (and they have certainly tried to do this) a liberal government bans conservative talk radio as "hate speech". If your a liberal, this is a wise and prudent move. If your a conservative, you just woke up in a totalitarian government.

What I want is less intrusive government. Period. Fix the roads and defend the shores, and stay the hell out of my personal decisions.

Skybird · 04-03-07, 06:57 PM

If banning reality shows leads to philosophical basic dicussions like it is tried here, then the deconstruction of any standards altogether has already proceeded farther than I think and the situation is really hopeless, because by that it is displayed what one considers to be the niveau of philosophy - and that niveau mirrors that of reality shows and thus is not impressive. And so is the resulting philosophy.

If all is open and free (beliebig), then nothing matters any more. And that is the total collapse of any moral system, no matter what. what is yelled the loudest on the streets, will decide what "culture" than will be.

And that is the culture of a dog having fun with what it just left behind at that tree, or the crowds in the Colosseum shouting for more blood and violance, and adult persons starring in porno movies and f#ucking on stage in public where they get handed some golden statue will be called "stars", and will be blown up to idols.

Like buildings must be taken care of, and must be cleaned and maintained, cultures must be taken care of, and their basic values must be protected against deconstruction. Some standards and values and morals are more of worth than others, while some even do active damage.

Today, every fascist, every mentally retarded, every egoist a$$hole can call his private and oh so important thoughts a "culture" - and by doing so will be given total immunity and is considered to be untouchable. Even if he calls for the supression of others, violance against people, sexual provocation in public, or war. It is "culture", isn't it, so it must be considered as valuable and as worthy as the best what mankind ever have shown up with. How could one dare to talk of qualitative hierarchies? Well i do, and if others dont like it, I don't give a damn. I am tired of seeing the rich AND SUPERIOR cultural heritage of the West going down the drain - in the name of all this above.

Total degeneracy.

Hell, we are not talking about the prohibition of political magazines, suppression of opinions on scientific opinions, and the censoring of cultural programs! Don't make this bigger than it is. We are talking about crap.

Simple that. No philosopher and no rocketscientist is needed to realise that. One needs no encyclopedia to realise when something is crap.

04-03-07, 09:10 AM	#2
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,638 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Do like I do, make your own program. I just bought the latest "The Professionals" DVD box and the final season of "Twin Peaks". I always think twice before switching to current TV programs... Plan to get the old "Robin of Sherwood" series as well, at least the first two seasons before the protagonist changed (planning that since long... ). And no - no Star Trek series DVDs over here Only VHS recordings of the movies. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

04-03-07, 01:01 PM	#4
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Reality shows are made for the brain dead and sad acts. And there is a lot of them in the UK thats why these shows rule TV. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

04-03-07, 01:14 PM	#5
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,638 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I consider daily soaps, sit coms and reality shows to be a mental health hazard. Seriously, and talking as an ex-psychologist. If you eat bad food, you get weak and/or ill. But with mental and intellectual input, it should be different...? "Modernes Fernsehen verblödet." __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

04-03-07, 06:57 PM	#11
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,638 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	If banning reality shows leads to philosophical basic dicussions like it is tried here, then the deconstruction of any standards altogether has already proceeded farther than I think and the situation is really hopeless, because by that it is displayed what one considers to be the niveau of philosophy - and that niveau mirrors that of reality shows and thus is not impressive. And so is the resulting philosophy. If all is open and free (beliebig), then nothing matters any more. And that is the total collapse of any moral system, no matter what. what is yelled the loudest on the streets, will decide what "culture" than will be. And that is the culture of a dog having fun with what it just left behind at that tree, or the crowds in the Colosseum shouting for more blood and violance, and adult persons starring in porno movies and f#ucking on stage in public where they get handed some golden statue will be called "stars", and will be blown up to idols. Like buildings must be taken care of, and must be cleaned and maintained, cultures must be taken care of, and their basic values must be protected against deconstruction. Some standards and values and morals are more of worth than others, while some even do active damage. Today, every fascist, every mentally retarded, every egoist a$$hole can call his private and oh so important thoughts a "culture" - and by doing so will be given total immunity and is considered to be untouchable. Even if he calls for the supression of others, violance against people, sexual provocation in public, or war. It is "culture", isn't it, so it must be considered as valuable and as worthy as the best what mankind ever have shown up with. How could one dare to talk of qualitative hierarchies? Well i do, and if others dont like it, I don't give a damn. I am tired of seeing the rich AND SUPERIOR cultural heritage of the West going down the drain - in the name of all this above. Total degeneracy. Hell, we are not talking about the prohibition of political magazines, suppression of opinions on scientific opinions, and the censoring of cultural programs! Don't make this bigger than it is. We are talking about crap. Simple that. No philosopher and no rocketscientist is needed to realise that. One needs no encyclopedia to realise when something is crap. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 04-03-07 at 07:08 PM.

04-03-07, 08:44 AM	#1
bradclark1 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Connecticut, USA. Posts: 2,794 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Lets hope the U.S. follows. I don't watch tv but the wife does. Every time I think they can't come up with another reality subject they do.

04-03-07, 06:34 PM	#10
Rykaird Weps Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 356 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	The reason people defend almost anything in the name of free speech is because there is no universal standard of what constitutes "crap." Simple example - the tv show South Park. The only episode I saw, someone hid a nuclear bomb in Hilary Clinton's private parts, and the Queen of England stuck a gun in her mouth and blew her brains out all over the wall. I found it pretty vulgar, and won't watch the show again. But should it be banned? There are millions who think it is hilarious. Who's right? Who decides? For me, I'd rather just elect to change the channel rather than cede to the government the right to decide what is "crap." Should the Bush government decide for the American public what is "crap" and what is "educational"? Are you SURE that's the model that you want - that the government decides, as the Italian government just did on reality shows? You can wail about declining standards (by the way, I happen to think the quality of tv programming is at an all time high right now - please revisit the 1970s and tell me that tv was so much better then) - but it still comes down to a question of power and authority. With the exception of certain known social standards, I would rather use rating systems and market pressures to determine publishing standards. You talk about educating the public - OK, but who decides what they get educated on? There's an entire army of folks who think we should be teaching young children that homosexual relationships are a good thing. I disagree. Who decides? One day a liberal government mandates educating children on homosexuality and four years later a conservative one eliminates discussions of evolution. Sorry, I just don't want them to have that control. You can say we aren't talking about such key issues - that this is just about crap tv - but there is no way to divide that level of authority so finely. You can't give the government the right to ban tv shows that are deemed to be not helpful to the masses, but only if they don't discussions on science, or education, or religion, etc. Sorry, the lawyers will then jump in and re-label anything the way they want it. Your entire argument hinges on this idea that you happen to know what's best, that it is so obvious that reality tv is crap and should be banned. But you aren't the person making the call - its the government. There's no ballot measure where the majority gets to decide. Tomorrow (and they have certainly tried to do this) a liberal government bans conservative talk radio as "hate speech". If your a liberal, this is a wise and prudent move. If your a conservative, you just woke up in a totalitarian government. What I want is less intrusive government. Period. Fix the roads and defend the shores, and stay the hell out of my personal decisions.