Why no MMO?

[elanaiba]

The main issue that one has with online play - campaign style - is time compression.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by elanaiba

The main issue that one has with online play - campaign style - is time compression.

LOL, thats just one. But ask yourself, do you really want to deal with a demanding, unforgiving audience in the context of an MMO? I won't go into the details, but .. man.... its brutal. I woudlnt touch that with a 200 ft pole. Spend any time on a major MMO messageboard (WoW for example), and you'll see how ugly it gets.

On top of that, while im no guru, i personally beleive the MMO market is saturated. Every tom, dick, and harry wants the game that keeps giving (15 bucks a month subscriber fee). Sub sims are too nich and audience, you'd have to dumb everything down for mass appeal, and then your into balancing the game to please everones sense of fair play and all other sorts of BS- and even then a Submarine MMO woudlnt make it. Too small an audience, too nich of a game, too big the competition. Ugly, ugly ugly.

[XanderF]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

LOL, thats just one. But ask yourself, do you really want to deal with a demanding, unforgiving audience in the context of an MMO? I won't go into the details, but .. man.... its brutal. I woudlnt touch that with a 200 ft pole. Spend any time on a major MMO messageboard (WoW for example), and you'll see how ugly it gets.

On top of that, while im no guru, i personally beleive the MMO market is saturated. Every tom, dick, and harry wants the game that keeps giving (15 bucks a month subscriber fee). Sub sims are too nich and audience, you'd have to dumb everything down for mass appeal, and then your into balancing the game to please everones sense of fair play and all other sorts of BS- and even then a Submarine MMO woudlnt make it. Too small an audience, too nich of a game, too big the competition. Ugly, ugly ugly.

Wait, what? Those arguments make no sense. The subscriber base for WoW is 6 MILLION. That's useless to us - they didn't make 6 million submarines combined among ALL countries in BOTH world wars. We do not need or want anything NEAR 'mass market'.

As to pricing - I dunno, the games are doing fine as it is. I mean, what's a greater number, $50 per copy for 100,000 copies of Sh4 bought once and played for free over the next 3 years...or $50 per copy, and then $15.00 a month for 3 years with only, say, 10,000 copies sold?

The MMO is already more profitable, even with those numbers. And that's presuming a title such as this only sells 1/10 as well as traditional Sh3/Sh4. Personally, I think the sale numbers would well be HIGHER than Sh3 or Sh4 on their own.

As to the argument about "ZOMG, FORUM FLAEMS!!1!ONE" I mean, really. Compare the WoW forums to the Sh3/Sh4 forums bug posts. They aren't THAT much worse, and that IS mass market...which we wouldn't expect or want.

[Ducimus]

I had a flaming reubttle, but it just occured to me this topic isnt worth the time to write it, let alone the long flame war that would ensue after hitting the post button. In short, Your in love with your idea, but i feel I've played enough of those damn things (MMO's) to have an idea about what im talking about. Ive probably been playing them longer then you have. If your gonna dream, dream big i guess. Have fun daydreaming. Reality harkens in another direction however.

[SteamWake]

I can see it now.

You can create your charecter and start out at level 1 with a canoe for a boat and a box full of rocks as weapons.

Go off and kill 20 seagulls to reach level 2 increase your "seamanship" attributes and you can paddle the canoe faster.

Now go off and kill 200 seagulls to reach level 3... at around level 10 you get your first "real" submarine type VII but can only carry one torpedo till you go out and sink 100 tugboatts and reach level 11.

[Harmor]

Doesn't World War 2 Online have naval warfare too? I used to play infantry in that game (was a blast while it lasted) and could see a naval sim work as MMO if you'd let the players choose between, say, surface ships or submarines, perhaps even extending it to carriers and the planes based on them. Then again .. the market is probably not big enough to warrant a Naval sim MMO.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Harmor

Then again .. the market is probably not big enough to warrant a Naval sim MMO.

Ask yourself this:
How many FPS's do you see on gamestore shelves?
How many RPG's?
How many landbattle, WW2ish games in any form?
How many flight sims do you see?
And lastly,compared to all of the above,
How many naval and/or sub games do you see?

edit:

Originally Posted by SteamWake

I can see it now.

You can create your charecter and start out at level 1 with a canoe for a boat and a box full of rocks as weapons.

Go off and kill 20 seagulls to reach level 2 increase your "seamanship" attributes and you can paddle the canoe faster.

Now go off and kill 200 seagulls to reach level 3... at around level 10 you get your first "real" submarine type VII but can only carry one torpedo till you go out and sink 100 tugboatts and reach level 11.

Halarious. Honestly, though it would be closer to planetside, but even then you had levels which dictated how many things you could do, could use, or could carry.

[ParaB]

Wolves of the Pacific Online

A typical afternoon in the massively multiplayer submarine sim by UbiSoft:



General chat:< [DeAtHKill0R] how do u dive?

General chat:< [CaptainBoobie] LOLZ U N00b!!

General chat:< [DorkVader] press Ctrl-alt-del

General chat:< [JackBuar] ^^ lol!!!

General chat:< [Xfazycxasd] BYU CHEAP RENOWN AT WWW.RENOWNFARMERS.COM

General chat:< [SUB_PIRATE]: LFG Yamato, need one more Gato!!!!!!!

General chat:< [SUBCIPTAIN]: wrong channel dude

General chat:< [SUB_PIRATE]: yeah whateva...

Looking for Group:< [SUB_PIRATE] LFG Yamato, one more Gato needed!!!!!

Looking for Group: < [Capt. Smith] can I join? I got a Gato.

Looking for Group:< [SUB_PIRATE] are you SJ-radio specked?

Looking for Group:< [Capt. Smith] no, i bought a better deck gun

Looking for Group:< [SUB_PIRATE] dude, for teh hi-level raid content u GOT to put points into improved radar!!! nub.

General chat:< [Xfazycxasd] BYU CHEAP RENOWN AT WWW.RENOWNFARMERS.COM

[-=BiGWanG=-] send you a message:< NEED HELP!!!11

[ParaB] sends a message to [BigWangG]:< where are you, friend? I can't see you

[-=BiGWanG=-] sends you a message:< BAY OF TOKYO HELP ME NOW!!!1!

[ParaB] sends a message to [BigWangG]:< err...sorry. I'd really like to help you but I'm currently 50sm off Brisbane harbour.

[-=BiGWanG=-] sends you a message:< YOU SUCK!!!111

[-=BiGWanG=-] ignores you now

[TheSatyr]

I think the main reason you'll never see it is because not enough people wouild play it to make it viable financially.

Unless you run it like Freelancer...in which case you'd be limited to around 12-24 people a server.

[wetwarev7]

Originally Posted by ParaB

Wolves of the Pacific Online

A typical afternoon in the massively multiplayer submarine sim by UbiSoft:

General chat:< [Xfazycxasd] BYU CHEAP RENOWN AT WWW.RENOWNFARMERS.COM

[-=BiGWanG=-] send you a message:< NEED HELP!!!11

[ParaB] sends a message to [BigWangG]:< where are you, friend? I can't see you

[-=BiGWanG=-] send you a message:< BAY OF TOKYO HELP ME NOW!!!1!

[ParaB] sends a message to [BigWangG]:< err...sorry. I'd really like to help you but I'm currently 50sm off Brisbane harbour.

[-=BiGWanG=-] send you a message:< YOU SUCK!!!111

[-=BiGWanG=-] ignores you now

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by ParaB

Wolves of the Pacific Online

General chat:< [Xfazycxasd] BYU CHEAP RENOWN AT WWW.RENOWNFARMERS.COM

Beautiful ! Complete with stupid typos ! Hilarious....

Now let me get a mop and clean up the soda all over the place.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by ParaB

Wolves of the Pacific Online

A typical afternoon in the massively multiplayer submarine sim by UbiSoft:

General chat:< [DeAtHKill0R] how do u dive?

General chat:< [CaptainBoobie] LOLZ U N00b!

I smell a fellow WoWer.

Your post brought back memories.... bad ones

I can just imagine Pearl chat being like barrens chat (shudder)

I am taking a much deserved break from not only wow but the wow forums.

The company here is much better

[melin71]

Originally Posted by Harmor

Doesn't World War 2 Online have naval warfare too? I used to play infantry in that game (was a blast while it lasted) and could see a naval sim work as MMO if you'd let the players choose between, say, surface ships or submarines, perhaps even extending it to carriers and the planes based on them. Then again .. the market is probably not big enough to warrant a Naval sim MMO.

so true. that wwiionline have that. i have prepaid 1 year in that game. but as some have point out. with out TC...the naval game are REALY boring. why....becourse i have spent many many many hours with just a empty horizoen and looking for aircraft. stear the boat to a point that you want..and prepere for many boring hours. i have spend half a day to get over the dam english channel when we did a attack on england. the only action that happens was some air. so..silent hunter III or 4...in those water.......not for me... good idee...but impossibly.