Thailand and Manchuko?

AntEater · 04-02-07, 07:09 AM

Where are these two nations?
Thailand should be there allright, and Manchuko had a seperate Flag, and even a miniscule "Navy"
Only problem would be wether Thailand would be neutral or enemy, as they were officially not at war with the US (but at war with Britain AFAIK).
How where thai vessels treated by the USN?
The Thais had a WW1 destroyer from the Brits and serveral italian build torpedo boats, plus some japanese build coast defence vessels and sloops (some of them preserved until today).

AntEater · 04-02-07, 05:10 PM

*bump*
the History of the Manchuko Navy is certainly the most obscure subject of WW2 naval history, but they did have one.

Sailor Steve · 04-02-07, 05:36 PM

Somebody will mod it, given enough time. They are still sorting out the flags for SH3.

cdrsubron7 · 04-02-07, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AntEater

Where are these two nations?
Thailand should be there allright, and Manchuko had a seperate Flag, and even a miniscule "Navy"
Only problem would be wether Thailand would be neutral or enemy, as they were officially not at war with the US (but at war with Britain AFAIK).
How where thai vessels treated by the USN?
The Thais had a WW1 destroyer from the Brits and serveral italian build torpedo boats, plus some japanese build coast defence vessels and sloops (some of them preserved until today).

Manchuko was name given to the land they conquered in China during the war. I believe Thailand was called Burma during the war also. Just a side note of course.

cdrsubron7

Jams79 · 04-02-07, 05:56 PM

I don't have a screenshot, but in one of my messages on patrol I got informed the "US is now at war with Thailand" or words to that affect

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This caused a rapid deterioration of relations with the United States and Britain. In April 1941 the United States cut off petroleum supplies to Thailand. Thailand's campaign for territorial expansion came to an end on December 8, 1941 when Japan invaded the country along its southern coastline. The Phibun regime allowed the Japanese to pass through the country in order to attack Burma and invade Malaya. Convinced by the Allied defeats of early 1942 that Japan was winning the war, Phibun decide to form an actual military alliance with the Japanese.

quote from Wiki

Military alliance means US was definately in a state of war with Thailand, it wasn't just UK

AntEater · 04-02-07, 06:08 PM

Nope.
Manchuko is partly right, it was the chinese territory of Manchuria, where the Japanese put up a puppet state headed by the last emperor of China, Pu Yi. How independent this nation really was, I cannot say, but I suppose not very independent.
But they did have their own flag and their own merchant marine and navy and should be present at least as coastal traffic in the yellow sea.
Also Manchuko would be a nice place to banish the stupid river gunboats to, to keep them from showing up in the roaring fourties...

Thailand was Thailand. Burma is the country west of Thailand which was a british colony (dominion/commonwealth/whatever) until after WW2.
Thailand is also known as Siam, but was actually called Thailand even back then by the Thais or Siamese. But in the contemporary US navy, Siam would have been the name.
Thailand was not really at war with the allies but also not really a neutral, it gave Japan basing rights, there were allied POWs in Thailand (bridge on the Kwai!), but apart from a few incidents (including the only victorious naval battle of the french navy in WW2:rotfl

, Thai forces never engaged allied forces.
Thats why Thailand got away the cheapest of all the countries on the wrong side, they just delivered a few million tons of rice to india, renamed themselves Siam again (for around 4 years) and changed their government and everything was forgiven and forgotten....
But Thailand had a "real" navy:
Two 1930s build coast defence vessels with 4 x 8" guns (one sunk by the french in 1941)
One british WW1 destroyer (R Class) named Pra Ruang (ex HMS Radiant).
In some older sources, Pra Ruang is credited with sinking the USS Harder commanded by the "destroyer killer" Sam Dealey. According to combinedfleet.com, Harder was sunk by Patrol Boat 102, the former USS Steward, a captured 4-Stacker.
Eight italian build torpedo boats, around 600 tons. (two sunk by the french)
Four submarines (couldnt find anything on these)
Serveral Sloops or Gunboats, some of them quite modern japanese build vessels similar to the Ukuru class. One of them, the Phuket, still exists as a museum ship and is most likely the only japanese build WW2 era warship still existing.

Further submarines and two light cruisers were being build in Italy, but never completed due to the war.

04-02-07, 07:09 AM	#1
AntEater Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 936 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Thailand and Manchuko? Where are these two nations? Thailand should be there allright, and Manchuko had a seperate Flag, and even a miniscule "Navy" Only problem would be wether Thailand would be neutral or enemy, as they were officially not at war with the US (but at war with Britain AFAIK). How where thai vessels treated by the USN? The Thais had a WW1 destroyer from the Brits and serveral italian build torpedo boats, plus some japanese build coast defence vessels and sloops (some of them preserved until today). __________________

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AntEater Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 936 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	bump the History of the Manchuko Navy is certainly the most obscure subject of WW2 naval history, but they did have one. __________________

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04-02-07, 06:08 PM	#6
AntEater Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 936 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Nope. Manchuko is partly right, it was the chinese territory of Manchuria, where the Japanese put up a puppet state headed by the last emperor of China, Pu Yi. How independent this nation really was, I cannot say, but I suppose not very independent. But they did have their own flag and their own merchant marine and navy and should be present at least as coastal traffic in the yellow sea. Also Manchuko would be a nice place to banish the stupid river gunboats to, to keep them from showing up in the roaring fourties... Thailand was Thailand. Burma is the country west of Thailand which was a british colony (dominion/commonwealth/whatever) until after WW2. Thailand is also known as Siam, but was actually called Thailand even back then by the Thais or Siamese. But in the contemporary US navy, Siam would have been the name. Thailand was not really at war with the allies but also not really a neutral, it gave Japan basing rights, there were allied POWs in Thailand (bridge on the Kwai!), but apart from a few incidents (including the only victorious naval battle of the french navy in WW2:rotfl, Thai forces never engaged allied forces. Thats why Thailand got away the cheapest of all the countries on the wrong side, they just delivered a few million tons of rice to india, renamed themselves Siam again (for around 4 years) and changed their government and everything was forgiven and forgotten.... But Thailand had a "real" navy: Two 1930s build coast defence vessels with 4 x 8" guns (one sunk by the french in 1941) One british WW1 destroyer (R Class) named Pra Ruang (ex HMS Radiant). In some older sources, Pra Ruang is credited with sinking the USS Harder commanded by the "destroyer killer" Sam Dealey. According to combinedfleet.com, Harder was sunk by Patrol Boat 102, the former USS Steward, a captured 4-Stacker. Eight italian build torpedo boats, around 600 tons. (two sunk by the french) Four submarines (couldnt find anything on these) Serveral Sloops or Gunboats, some of them quite modern japanese build vessels similar to the Ukuru class. One of them, the Phuket, still exists as a museum ship and is most likely the only japanese build WW2 era warship still existing. Further submarines and two light cruisers were being build in Italy, but never completed due to the war. __________________