Some Impressive Realism

WFGood · 03-31-07, 06:07 PM

I was referring more to the damage effects and the fact that the DD could not lower its guns and hit a target at close range. (Perhaps, I should have made that more clear.) I know of a case of an American submarine which survived ramming a maru, but have never come across the opposite. And no, the Japanese were not known for search and rescue efforts of individual pilots. They even left crews of sunken vessels in the water at times, but it does add to the flavor of the game immensely, but the way it was handled was exactly how allied fleets would have handled it. It would be interesting to see if the situation occurs in game with Allied aircraft.

WFGood · 03-31-07, 06:16 PM

I guess it would be theoretically possible thouh highly unlikely for a submarine to win a gun duel with a DE or Frigate. I remember reading somewhere about an Italian submarine in WWII that was damaged and unable to dive while attacking a convoy. The British detached a DE which was involved in a multi-hour gun battle with the submarine which the destroyer almost lost. I'll try and look through my books to see if I can find the passage.

malkuth74 · 03-31-07, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by WFGood

I guess it would be theoretically possible thouh highly unlikely for a submarine to win a gun duel with a DE or Frigate. I remember reading somewhere about an Italian submarine in WWII that was damaged and unable to dive while attacking a convoy. The British detached a DE which was involved in a multi-hour gun battle with the submarine which the destroyer almost lost. I'll try and look through my books to see if I can find the passage.

It almost lost? The destroyers in game are Fubar you can look up the 1 or 2 exceptions IRL, but that does not mean it is the norm.

In SHIV the norm is 1vs1 you win vs a destroyer. (I even beat 2 on 1 before) And that is not the way it should be.

But it will be fixed I hope.

WFGood · 03-31-07, 06:38 PM

I would completely agree that the destroyers in game are nowhere near effective or as aggressive as they should be. I torpedoed one the other day and had its partner come to a stop allowing me to easily sink it. No self-respecting captain would ever hazard his ship in that manner. To my recollection it was the same when SH3 came out, but I don't think it was as bad. Memory, however, has a way of playing funny tricks. We went from one extreme to the other.
My point about the Italian submarine almost winning was that a lucky shot or even another shot in the right spot would have made it a completely different story. I was by no means stating that it is a normal or even sane situation to put yourself in, but that it was a theoretical possibility. Early in '42 there was a DD along with a CG cutter which were seriously damaged when merchantmen thought they were submarines and opened fire with their gun. Of course, the DD's did not return fire, but one of them was sent out of control by a hit and could not have effectively fought their ship.
Besides my comment about realism was directed to damage control, flight operations, and the fact that the man in the water was actually swimming when you watched him.

Cakewalk · 03-31-07, 09:25 PM

Destroyers are rather clueless at times; that being said, when I first got SH3 I was sinking destroyers by the dockload with my deck gun and rear tubes... I'd blow the guns off the destroyer as it went by, then when it turned around and started coming up my rear to ram me, I'd torp it.:rotfl:

That being said, its different now after damage remodeling in SH3... and I expect the same will hold true for SH4 eventually.

DiveMonkey · 03-31-07, 11:13 PM

You sure the downed pilot wasn't American?

Man!...that guy would be pissed!!!

WFGood · 03-31-07, 11:17 PM

DOH!! God I hope not! Imagine what a feeling that would be. Although that far from any friendly airbases or carriers early in '42 hopefully rules that out.

03-31-07, 06:07 PM	#1
WFGood Electrician's Mate Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: high above the big blue Posts: 137 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I was referring more to the damage effects and the fact that the DD could not lower its guns and hit a target at close range. (Perhaps, I should have made that more clear.) I know of a case of an American submarine which survived ramming a maru, but have never come across the opposite. And no, the Japanese were not known for search and rescue efforts of individual pilots. They even left crews of sunken vessels in the water at times, but it does add to the flavor of the game immensely, but the way it was handled was exactly how allied fleets would have handled it. It would be interesting to see if the situation occurs in game with Allied aircraft. __________________

03-31-07, 06:16 PM	#2
WFGood Electrician's Mate Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: high above the big blue Posts: 137 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I guess it would be theoretically possible thouh highly unlikely for a submarine to win a gun duel with a DE or Frigate. I remember reading somewhere about an Italian submarine in WWII that was damaged and unable to dive while attacking a convoy. The British detached a DE which was involved in a multi-hour gun battle with the submarine which the destroyer almost lost. I'll try and look through my books to see if I can find the passage. __________________

03-31-07, 06:38 PM	#4
WFGood Electrician's Mate Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: high above the big blue Posts: 137 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I would completely agree that the destroyers in game are nowhere near effective or as aggressive as they should be. I torpedoed one the other day and had its partner come to a stop allowing me to easily sink it. No self-respecting captain would ever hazard his ship in that manner. To my recollection it was the same when SH3 came out, but I don't think it was as bad. Memory, however, has a way of playing funny tricks. We went from one extreme to the other. My point about the Italian submarine almost winning was that a lucky shot or even another shot in the right spot would have made it a completely different story. I was by no means stating that it is a normal or even sane situation to put yourself in, but that it was a theoretical possibility. Early in '42 there was a DD along with a CG cutter which were seriously damaged when merchantmen thought they were submarines and opened fire with their gun. Of course, the DD's did not return fire, but one of them was sent out of control by a hit and could not have effectively fought their ship. Besides my comment about realism was directed to damage control, flight operations, and the fact that the man in the water was actually swimming when you watched him. __________________

03-31-07, 09:25 PM	#5
Cakewalk Engineer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 212 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Destroyers are rather clueless at times; that being said, when I first got SH3 I was sinking destroyers by the dockload with my deck gun and rear tubes... I'd blow the guns off the destroyer as it went by, then when it turned around and started coming up my rear to ram me, I'd torp it.:rotfl: That being said, its different now after damage remodeling in SH3... and I expect the same will hold true for SH4 eventually. __________________ Its not a bug... its a feature!

03-31-07, 11:17 PM	#7
WFGood Electrician's Mate Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: high above the big blue Posts: 137 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	DOH!! God I hope not! Imagine what a feeling that would be. Although that far from any friendly airbases or carriers early in '42 hopefully rules that out. __________________

03-31-07, 11:13 PM	#6
DiveMonkey Torpedoman Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 111 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	You sure the downed pilot wasn't American? Man!...that guy would be pissed!!!