SH4: Huge Dissappointment

codmander · 03-31-07, 09:14 AM

Awesome game!!!! --------------

SH4 will need a patch? more like one of grandmas quilts patches galore

Snakeeyes · 03-31-07, 09:51 AM

Good first post mate! Welcome aboard formally!
I wish it was on a brighter note but I completely understand the need to express your disappointment. Don't chuck it away just yet. The sim community has had to take what we can get these last 8 years and mod it to our standards. I realize, a game with a patch right out of the box is rediculous but try to look at the bright side that they made the patch so fast.

I know.... glass half empty - glass half full.

I've uinstalled it and have it as a dust-gatherer until they fix 60% of things, THEN I'll allow it's electrons to grace the circuits of my "cyber hog."

Penelope_Grey · 03-31-07, 10:07 AM

It is kinda depressing the whole Silent hunter 4 situation but at least most of us have SH3 to tide us over.

There are a lot of bugs and as such does not make it worth carrying out a serious career.

fredbass · 03-31-07, 10:13 AM

Well at least the devs have acknowledged some of the problems that will be fixed. So at this point, if you really don't think you can enjoy the game how it is, then play something else until it's patched better, which is what I'm doing.

Hopefully it won't be too long because I'm looking forward to playing it when I'm ready.

ReallyDedPoet · 04-01-07, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Penelope_Grey

It is kinda depressing the whole Silent hunter 4 situation but at least most of us have SH3 to tide us over.

There are a lot of bugs and as such does not make it worth carrying out a serious career.

The game has potential, I have just installed, played a few different modes, I am going to be positive about this one

AirborneTD · 04-01-07, 08:01 AM

"SH4 a huge dissappointment"??? I dunno. I guess I would agree except that I've been having too much of a blast playing it this last week or so.

AVGWarhawk · 04-01-07, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by AirborneTD

"SH4 a huge dissappointment"??? I dunno. I guess I would agree except that I've been having too much of a blast playing it this last week or so.

Yeah, me too

Gizzmoe · 04-01-07, 12:15 PM

And yet another wild rant. Thanks, Wave Skipper...

mookiemookie · 04-01-07, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Spearfish

There does appear to be an attitude of "Yeah, yeah! We know there's problems, but just wait a bit and stop whining..”

How dare we have a positive attitude and support the ONLY developers of submarine simulation games at the moment! Man, I can't believe we're not all huffy and full of righteous indignation at the unheard of situation of game developers being put on an impossible timeline by a publisher.

I suppose we'll have to work on that.

TDK1044 · 04-01-07, 11:29 AM

The Devs were given 14 months to build this game using a flawed game engine from SH3 as a foundation. 'Huge Disappointment'....No. Work in progress would be a more accurate description. It's not possible to produce the game this Forum wanted in the time frame given, and also satisfy all the demands put on them by Ubisoft in order to attract the 'casual gamer' in large numbers.

A casual gamer playing Silent Hunter 4 at a realism setting somewhere between 0 and 30 is never going to notice most of the bugs. A few bugs like the clipboard freezing issue, sure.

I just hope the Devs are allowed to keep patching, so that they can make the game what they always intended it to be had they have been given a realistic production schedule.

04-01-07, 12:06 PM

Look at the excuse makers - if they are not Ubi-agents - they are part of the trouble anyway. All of us are. When SH3 was never truly fixed - when the Devs abandoned SH3 with the fix job half done and we sucked that down so they could go build their vaunted SH4, that was when we should have raised a storm. Right now in my town at both Wal-Marts SH4 is just collecting dust on the shelves. After all Sh4 really had nothing over SH3 except a sub with scopes and radio in the way of a full 360 degree view of the sky (The Germans were at least bright enough to maintain this open configuration even on their Type XXI).

I have been waiting to see what Ubi would do this time around. Sure enough it sounds like because we allowed it to get away the first time, now like a bad dog it is just getting worse the more you pamper it.

Look Ubi - the public at large doesn't care about buying another SH3 with new subs. Its whacko-sub lovers like us that would give your game any traction at all. And yet you are shoving crap into our faces again - only more this time around.

Ubi fills the market for this sort of thing. If another better group of guys wanted to break into this market they have to go against the SH-series. But if Ubi could be forced out or put out of business, that would open the market for other companies - who might just do a better job. Take your games back to the stores - and even if they will not take them back (though in America some will) then at least complain to the store that the game is a wreck. That you are very unhappy.

I was about to make an SH3 mod to simulate the SH4. After all the German subs aren't all that different and SH3 has a fairly good map. But I gave it up. I am tired of all this SH-mess. I will bet you part of the reason SH4 is having all its troubles is because it is trying to work with Vista. They should have left it designed for Win2000 and XP. Why does every company keep trying to suck up to Gates?

Oh, and your wet dreams for more patches? Ha. This title will make less money than SH3 did - so your patches will end long before they did with SH3. The Devs will be put on to another game very soon - especially as the SH4 games grow dust at the stores.

John Channing · 04-01-07, 12:15 PM

OK... Let me see if I have this correct.

You say that if we drive the only company that has even attempted a WWII Subsim in... what... 10-15 years, out of the market then some other company will rush in and start making them?

I think my head just exploded.

JCC

mookiemookie · 04-01-07, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Wave Skipper

Look at the excuse makers - if they are not Ubi-agents - they are part of the trouble anyway.

TDK1044 · 04-01-07, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Wave Skipper

Ubi fills the market for this sort of thing. If another better group of guys wanted to break into this market they have to go against the SH-series. But if Ubi could be forced out or put out of business, that would open the market for other companies - who might just do a better job. Take your games back to the stores - and even if they will not take them back (though in America some will) then at least complain to the store that the game is a wreck. That you are very unhappy.

Silent Hunter 3 made enough money to justify Silent Hunter 4.....just! If Silent Hunter 4 fails to meet its sales target, then you can forget Ubisoft producing another sub sim any time soon.

As for your notion that there are companies just waiting in the wings to produce sub sims as soon as Ubisoft are out of the picture, you obviously have little or no knowledge of how the video game industry works.

The profit ratio on this type of game is pretty small. Some folks need to wake up and smell the coffee.

seawolf34 · 04-01-07, 01:56 PM

Because of the problems with the game at the present time I just stick to playing the single missions or online play, I'll start a campaign once some of the bugs are fixed. I certainly wouldn't class sh4 as a disappointment though, multiplayer is fun

03-31-07, 09:51 AM	#2
Snakeeyes Captain Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: trailing 1400 yards behind an Oscar-II with my outer doors open Posts: 488 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	Good first post mate! Welcome aboard formally! I wish it was on a brighter note but I completely understand the need to express your disappointment. Don't chuck it away just yet. The sim community has had to take what we can get these last 8 years and mod it to our standards. I realize, a game with a patch right out of the box is rediculous but try to look at the bright side that they made the patch so fast. I know.... glass half empty - glass half full. I've uinstalled it and have it as a dust-gatherer until they fix 60% of things, THEN I'll allow it's electrons to grace the circuits of my "cyber hog." __________________ -- "There's little room in Tupolev's heart for anyone but Tupolev."

03-31-07, 10:07 AM	#3
Penelope_Grey Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,893 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	It is kinda depressing the whole Silent hunter 4 situation but at least most of us have SH3 to tide us over. There are a lot of bugs and as such does not make it worth carrying out a serious career. __________________ I SURVIVED THE FIRST EVER SUBSIM WEREWOLF HUNT - and... I actually won the game for the humans too!

03-31-07, 10:13 AM	#4
fredbass Ace of the Deep Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New Port Richey, Fl, USA Posts: 1,066 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Well at least the devs have acknowledged some of the problems that will be fixed. So at this point, if you really don't think you can enjoy the game how it is, then play something else until it's patched better, which is what I'm doing. Hopefully it won't be too long because I'm looking forward to playing it when I'm ready. __________________

04-01-07, 08:01 AM	#6
AirborneTD Engineer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 204 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	"SH4 a huge dissappointment"??? I dunno. I guess I would agree except that I've been having too much of a blast playing it this last week or so. __________________ "You know, you might get surrounded." "We're paratroopers, Lieutenant. We're supposed to be surrounded." --Band of Brothers

04-01-07, 12:06 PM	#11
Wave Skipper Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	This is resolved me not to buy it Look at the excuse makers - if they are not Ubi-agents - they are part of the trouble anyway. All of us are. When SH3 was never truly fixed - when the Devs abandoned SH3 with the fix job half done and we sucked that down so they could go build their vaunted SH4, that was when we should have raised a storm. Right now in my town at both Wal-Marts SH4 is just collecting dust on the shelves. After all Sh4 really had nothing over SH3 except a sub with scopes and radio in the way of a full 360 degree view of the sky (The Germans were at least bright enough to maintain this open configuration even on their Type XXI). I have been waiting to see what Ubi would do this time around. Sure enough it sounds like because we allowed it to get away the first time, now like a bad dog it is just getting worse the more you pamper it. Look Ubi - the public at large doesn't care about buying another SH3 with new subs. Its whacko-sub lovers like us that would give your game any traction at all. And yet you are shoving crap into our faces again - only more this time around. Ubi fills the market for this sort of thing. If another better group of guys wanted to break into this market they have to go against the SH-series. But if Ubi could be forced out or put out of business, that would open the market for other companies - who might just do a better job. Take your games back to the stores - and even if they will not take them back (though in America some will) then at least complain to the store that the game is a wreck. That you are very unhappy. I was about to make an SH3 mod to simulate the SH4. After all the German subs aren't all that different and SH3 has a fairly good map. But I gave it up. I am tired of all this SH-mess. I will bet you part of the reason SH4 is having all its troubles is because it is trying to work with Vista. They should have left it designed for Win2000 and XP. Why does every company keep trying to suck up to Gates? Oh, and your wet dreams for more patches? Ha. This title will make less money than SH3 did - so your patches will end long before they did with SH3. The Devs will be put on to another game very soon - especially as the SH4 games grow dust at the stores.

03-31-07, 09:14 AM	#1
codmander Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: cape cod mass. Posts: 678 Downloads: 59 Uploads: 0	Awesome game!!!! -------------- SH4 will need a patch? more like one of grandmas quilts patches galore

04-01-07, 12:15 PM	#8
Gizzmoe Silent Hunter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 3,668 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	And yet another wild rant. Thanks, Wave Skipper...

04-01-07, 11:29 AM	#10
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	The Devs were given 14 months to build this game using a flawed game engine from SH3 as a foundation. 'Huge Disappointment'....No. Work in progress would be a more accurate description. It's not possible to produce the game this Forum wanted in the time frame given, and also satisfy all the demands put on them by Ubisoft in order to attract the 'casual gamer' in large numbers. A casual gamer playing Silent Hunter 4 at a realism setting somewhere between 0 and 30 is never going to notice most of the bugs. A few bugs like the clipboard freezing issue, sure. I just hope the Devs are allowed to keep patching, so that they can make the game what they always intended it to be had they have been given a realistic production schedule.

04-01-07, 12:15 PM	#12
John Channing Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 1998 Posts: 1,846 Downloads: 163 Uploads: 5	OK... Let me see if I have this correct. You say that if we drive the only company that has even attempted a WWII Subsim in... what... 10-15 years, out of the market then some other company will rush in and start making them? I think my head just exploded. JCC

04-01-07, 01:56 PM	#15
seawolf34 Seaman Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Somerset, UK Posts: 34 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Because of the problems with the game at the present time I just stick to playing the single missions or online play, I'll start a campaign once some of the bugs are fixed. I certainly wouldn't class sh4 as a disappointment though, multiplayer is fun __________________ Asus M4N98TD EVO AMD 1090T 8 Gig Corsair DD3 Gainward GTX 470 X-FI Fatality Titanium