Anyone have the text to the poem in the opening movie?

[joea]

Originally Posted by Seaweed

What are the dev's trying to say by choosing that poem?

What so you think they are trying to say?

Hint: Read the links Milton talks about triumphing over time and death.

[MadMike]

S-37's skipper Thomas Baskett used to quote Milton's "Lycidas" ("War in the Boats", Ruhe, 41) to impress the Aussie babes, so who knows...

Yours, Mike

[Hitman]

IMO it's an attempt to highlight the nonsense of the war and how the only thing that can be highlighted on it is the individual valor actions, unconnected from the general war politics. Honour to those who have done inmortal actions, based on inmortal and really important matters (Sacrifice, honor, courage, idealism), while all the rest is just unimportant and will fade away with time. i.e. when time passes by, you no longer care about who started the war and why, but you tend to remember the sacrifice and courageous actions of those involved.

P.S. anyone who has read the Iliad by Homero has found in the book more references to how it started and why, or to how courageously the main actors involved acted?

[melendir]

Also it could be just that, someone who had final say of the intro just liked the poem. :hmm:

You guys are right, it is definately different from usual hero stuff intros...
That reader guys voice is kinda creepy.
Gave me a bit uneasy twilight zone feeling

[SteamWake]

I cant watch that opening video it creeps me out

[Skubber]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

I cant watch that opening video it creeps me out

Yes, I think that's the point.

Am I the only one who actually likes the intro?

To my mind, the video footage is meant to be at odds with Milton's poem.

Think of the line "an individual kiss." (Right when the ship explodes in a fireball.)
Milton is talking here about the moment after death where we are greeted by the divine presence.

Kind of the ultimate post-modern juxtaposition.

What are we to make of a society, a world, a universe, where Christian values are somehow supposed to coexist with nazi death camps, or the Bataan death march?
(Milton was staunchly, though unconventionally, Christian.)

The poem is talking about the soul's triumph over all of this, even a triumph over time.
But I don't think Milton could have concieved of a time three hundred years in the future where we would so systematically set about destroying each other. What triumph could anyone see in this?

I like the intro's topsy-turvy comment on something no one can really make sense of.
What are we to make of a society were friends socialize over a simulation-game that relives this most savage period of our history?

Ours is a world of strange juxtapositions.
Kinda odd, isn't it?
Makes ya think.:hmm:

[CaptainCox]

Any of you guys tried this
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=110756
yep banging the drum here...Drum (SS-228)

[joea]

Originally Posted by Skubber

Yes, I think that's the point.

Am I the only one who actually likes the intro?

No. Agree with your analysis.

[Mush Martin]

Originally Posted by Skubber

Yes, I think that's the point.

Am I the only one who actually likes the intro?

To my mind, the video footage is meant to be at odds with Milton's poem.

Think of the line "an individual kiss." (Right when the ship explodes in a fireball.)
Milton is talking here about the moment after death where we are greeted by the divine presence.

Kind of the ultimate post-modern juxtaposition.

What are we to make of a society, a world, a universe, where Christian values are somehow supposed to coexist with nazi death camps, or the Bataan death march?
(Milton was staunchly, though unconventionally, Christian.)

The poem is talking about the soul's triumph over all of this, even a triumph over time.
But I don't think Milton could have concieved of a time three hundred years in the future where we would so systematically set about destroying each other. What triumph could anyone see in this?

I like the intro's topsy-turvy comment on something no one can really make sense of.
What are we to make of a society were friends socialize over a simulation-game that relives this most savage period of our history?

Ours is a world of strange juxtapositions.
Kinda odd, isn't it?
Makes ya think.:hmm:

Well I love the dialogue in the intro as I love milton
but I find the reflective nature of the verse a bit
overwhelmed by supersonic clouds and fast scene cuts.
also did anyone else think the IJN Flag on that cruiser
looked a little stiff?

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by melendir

Also it could be just that, someone who had final say of the intro just liked the poem. :hmm:

You guys are right, it is definately different from usual hero stuff intros...
That reader guys voice is kinda creepy.
Gave me a bit uneasy twilight zone feeling

thats it!!!

open this in a new window >> http://tzone.the-croc.com/sounds/tzone2.wav

que the twilight zone guys voice and now read this...

"Picture a man... he has entered a virtual world beyond sight and sound. His crew and his craft cloaked in the darkness of a sea at war wherein sound IS sight. Hes has taken command of an American submarine in the pacific during world war two. A submarine with dozens of buttons, switches and levers... some of which have been bugged to cause his virtual world to spiral out of control and crash to a bitter end... yet all of these bugged devices he needs in order to defeat the enemy who is trying to kill him. Such is life as a submarine commander...

... in the twilight zone"

[joea]

Originally Posted by Hitman

IMO it's an attempt to highlight the nonsense of the war and how the only thing that can be highlighted on it is the individual valor actions, unconnected from the general war politics. Honour to those who have done inmortal actions, based on inmortal and really important matters (Sacrifice, honor, courage, idealism), while all the rest is just unimportant and will fade away with time. i.e. when time passes by, you no longer care about who started the war and why, but you tend to remember the sacrifice and courageous actions of those involved.

P.S. anyone who has read the Iliad by Homero has found in the book more references to how it started and why, or to how courageously the main actors involved acted?

Don't agree but I see your point.

[Capt. Shark Bait]

Originally Posted by joea

What so you think they are trying to say?

Hint: Read the links Milton talks about triumphing over time and death.

or, the futility of trying to:hmm:

personally, i think it's the best game intro since Klingon Academy

GoldenRivet, very good:rotfl: