Anyone have the text to the poem in the opening movie?

[Seaweed]

SOunds like shakespeare. Anyone know what its from?

[Sh!tler]

Unfortunately the video and audio in the opening cinematic is such low quality, its practically impossible to hear everything the guy is saying.

[deamyont]

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~milton/rea...me/index.shtml

Here it is

[Seaweed]

What are the dev's trying to say by choosing that poem?

[DeepCore]

I'm not sure what they want to say with the intro but I can say that I like it! It's refreshingly diffferent from the usual dumb effect-hammer-hero-super-action-intro.

Deepcore

[Tarnish_UK]

Pah! I got sidetracked and then beaten to it!

"On Time"

by John Milton 1608 to 1674

Fly envious time til thy run out thy race
Call on the lazy leaden-stepping hours
Whose speed is but the heavy plummets pace
And glut thyself with what thy womb devours
Which is more then what is false and vain
And merely mortal dross;
So little is our loss
So little is thy gain
For when as each thing bad thou hast entombed
And last of all, thy greedy self consumed,
Then long Enternity shall greet our bliss
With an individual kiss
And joy shall overtake us as a flood
When evertything that is sincerely good
And perfectly divine
With Truth, and Peace, and Love shall ever shine
About the supreme throne
Of him, t'whose happy making sight alone
When once our heaven'ly soul shall climb
Then all this earthly grossness quit
Attired with stars, we shall forever sit
Triumphing over Death, and Chance, and thee O' Time

[joea]

Originally Posted by Seaweed

What are the dev's trying to say by choosing that poem?

What so you think they are trying to say?

Hint: Read the links Milton talks about triumphing over time and death.

[MadMike]

S-37's skipper Thomas Baskett used to quote Milton's "Lycidas" ("War in the Boats", Ruhe, 41) to impress the Aussie babes, so who knows...

Yours, Mike

[Hitman]

IMO it's an attempt to highlight the nonsense of the war and how the only thing that can be highlighted on it is the individual valor actions, unconnected from the general war politics. Honour to those who have done inmortal actions, based on inmortal and really important matters (Sacrifice, honor, courage, idealism), while all the rest is just unimportant and will fade away with time. i.e. when time passes by, you no longer care about who started the war and why, but you tend to remember the sacrifice and courageous actions of those involved.

P.S. anyone who has read the Iliad by Homero has found in the book more references to how it started and why, or to how courageously the main actors involved acted?

[melendir]

Also it could be just that, someone who had final say of the intro just liked the poem. :hmm:

You guys are right, it is definately different from usual hero stuff intros...
That reader guys voice is kinda creepy.
Gave me a bit uneasy twilight zone feeling

[SteamWake]

I cant watch that opening video it creeps me out

[joea]

Originally Posted by Hitman

IMO it's an attempt to highlight the nonsense of the war and how the only thing that can be highlighted on it is the individual valor actions, unconnected from the general war politics. Honour to those who have done inmortal actions, based on inmortal and really important matters (Sacrifice, honor, courage, idealism), while all the rest is just unimportant and will fade away with time. i.e. when time passes by, you no longer care about who started the war and why, but you tend to remember the sacrifice and courageous actions of those involved.

P.S. anyone who has read the Iliad by Homero has found in the book more references to how it started and why, or to how courageously the main actors involved acted?

Don't agree but I see your point.

[Skubber]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

I cant watch that opening video it creeps me out

Yes, I think that's the point.

Am I the only one who actually likes the intro?

To my mind, the video footage is meant to be at odds with Milton's poem.

Think of the line "an individual kiss." (Right when the ship explodes in a fireball.)
Milton is talking here about the moment after death where we are greeted by the divine presence.

Kind of the ultimate post-modern juxtaposition.

What are we to make of a society, a world, a universe, where Christian values are somehow supposed to coexist with nazi death camps, or the Bataan death march?
(Milton was staunchly, though unconventionally, Christian.)

The poem is talking about the soul's triumph over all of this, even a triumph over time.
But I don't think Milton could have concieved of a time three hundred years in the future where we would so systematically set about destroying each other. What triumph could anyone see in this?

I like the intro's topsy-turvy comment on something no one can really make sense of.
What are we to make of a society were friends socialize over a simulation-game that relives this most savage period of our history?

Ours is a world of strange juxtapositions.
Kinda odd, isn't it?
Makes ya think.:hmm:

[CaptainCox]

Any of you guys tried this
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=110756
yep banging the drum here...Drum (SS-228)

[joea]

Originally Posted by Skubber

Yes, I think that's the point.

Am I the only one who actually likes the intro?

No. Agree with your analysis.