Sunrise and Sunsets - Page 4

Soviet_Warlord · 03-27-07, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oeivind

Not getting the the amazing sun glare either! Bummer!!!
Running ATI x800GTO on catalyst 7.2!

Seems it is definitly a ATi related BUG.

This should be top priority in the 1.2 patch!

Any ATI users getting the right sun glare?

It's quite possible that this bug is up to ATI, not the SH4 devs to fix.

Dreamer · 03-27-07, 08:07 PM

I get no bloom with an ATI X1650 either.

Martin

Iron Budokan · 03-27-07, 08:18 PM

No glare for me, either, and I also have an ATI card. Drat and double drat!

XanderF · 03-27-07, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soviet_Warlord

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oeivind

Not getting the the amazing sun glare either! Bummer!!!
Running ATI x800GTO on catalyst 7.2!

Seems it is definitly a ATi related BUG.

This should be top priority in the 1.2 patch!

Any ATI users getting the right sun glare?

It's quite possible that this bug is up to ATI, not the SH4 devs to fix.

Except that it doesn't happen in ANY other game, including Sh3 (sun glare works fine there for ATI users).

It's likely the method the devs use for generating sun glare they made generic across brands, and did not account for how different manufacturers may handle certain DirectX calls differently.

Oeivind · 03-28-07, 02:01 AM

Is this bug reported to the 1.1 bug list?
Cant seem to find it in the list of confirmed bugs. Couldnt we confirm this Bug as it seems that no ATI users get the right sunglare?

OakGroove · 03-28-07, 04:51 AM

Same here. X850 XT PE / w/ Cat. 7.2 - no sunglare effect.

Dreamer · 03-29-07, 03:58 PM

Here's something interesting. I used the windows key to switch out of SH4, do some stuff, then went back in. When I went to the bridge, I had sun glare and a glorious bloom from the sunset but it disappeared after about 4-5 seconds and I was left with the blurry orb of a sun that I'm used to otherwise. So it appears bloom and the glare effects are supported but somehow switching off. That's my guess anyway. Here's a before/after picture comparison.

Immediately after switching back to SH4:

A few seconds later:

Before anyone claims it, no this is not due to the sun setting. I was able to replicate this three times in a row by going back to the navigation screen, switching out of SH4, switching back in, and going to the bridge. I was not able to do it just by switching out of and back into SH4 while on the bridge.

I'm really hoping this can help someone on here to debug this problem for I miss the glorious sunrises and sunsets of SH3.

Martin

Dreamer · 03-29-07, 04:12 PM

Just to make the point, here's another before/after. I've tried playing with the various graphics options to see if they have any effect on the duration but they don't.

Martin

Gammel · 03-29-07, 04:24 PM

I can 100% confirm the strange and interesting observations by dreamer.
X800XL here, Catalyst 7.3:

after alt-tab:

Important: You have to go to the navigation section and back, otherwise it will not work....

DaWizeGuy · 03-29-07, 05:08 PM

I can confirm this. Strange indeed. Maybe ATI's driver simply don't recognize the game as a 3D application and thus don't render all screen effects?

03-29-07, 05:15 PM

Same problem here as well.

Using an ATI 850

Antrodemus · 03-29-07, 05:39 PM

Great find guys!

You should post this in the bugs thread :

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=107766

Oeivind · 03-29-07, 06:01 PM

Great observation! Seems there is still some hope to us ATI users to get our eyes blinded by the sun!

Have reported the Bug again in the 1.1 BUG thread.

XanderF · 03-29-07, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaWizeGuy

I can confirm this. Strange indeed. Maybe ATI's driver simply don't recognize the game as a 3D application and thus don't render all screen effects?

Yeah, I saw your post to that effect over on Rage3d.

As an interesting test to this point - who here is running software that can monitor the GPU and video memory clock speeds? (I think even Rivatuner can do it for ATI cards...but not too much else)

I'd be interested in the graph showing the clock speeds you are seeing.

Is the card, perhaps, in 3d mode when the glare is 'working', and the moment the glare has gone away, the card dropped back down to 2d mode?

XanderF · 03-29-07, 08:25 PM

Well, I can confirm the effect. Look at sun in periscope, no glare, jump to nav map, alt-tab out, alt-tab back, back to periscope...yup, glare. For about a full 2 seconds, then it fades out to nothing again.

Weird.

Unfortunately, can't test the 2d/3d clock question, as the Cat 7.3s have borked my ability to overclock.

03-27-07, 08:18 PM	#48
Iron Budokan Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,778 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	No glare, no love No glare for me, either, and I also have an ATI card. Drat and double drat! __________________ "You will take on England wherever you find her ships, and you will break her power at sea." --Iron Coffins, Herbert A. Werner http://kennethmarkhoover.com

03-29-07, 04:24 PM	#54
Gammel Commodore Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 641 Downloads: 276 Uploads: 0	I can 100% confirm the strange and interesting observations by dreamer. X800XL here, Catalyst 7.3: after alt-tab: Important: You have to go to the navigation section and back, otherwise it will not work.... __________________ nie das Boot verlassen

03-29-07, 08:25 PM	#60
XanderF Samurai Navy Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 554 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Well, I can confirm the effect. Look at sun in periscope, no glare, jump to nav map, alt-tab out, alt-tab back, back to periscope...yup, glare. For about a full 2 seconds, then it fades out to nothing again. Weird. Unfortunately, can't test the 2d/3d clock question, as the Cat 7.3s have borked my ability to overclock. __________________

03-27-07, 08:07 PM	#47
Dreamer Sailor man Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 46 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	I get no bloom with an ATI X1650 either. Martin

03-28-07, 02:01 AM	#50
Oeivind Swabbie Join Date: May 2005 Location: Denmark Posts: 7 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Is this bug reported to the 1.1 bug list? Cant seem to find it in the list of confirmed bugs. Couldnt we confirm this Bug as it seems that no ATI users get the right sunglare?

03-28-07, 04:51 AM	#51
OakGroove 中国水兵 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 275 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Same here. X850 XT PE / w/ Cat. 7.2 - no sunglare effect.

03-29-07, 03:58 PM	#52
Dreamer Sailor man Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 46 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Here's something interesting. I used the windows key to switch out of SH4, do some stuff, then went back in. When I went to the bridge, I had sun glare and a glorious bloom from the sunset but it disappeared after about 4-5 seconds and I was left with the blurry orb of a sun that I'm used to otherwise. So it appears bloom and the glare effects are supported but somehow switching off. That's my guess anyway. Here's a before/after picture comparison. Immediately after switching back to SH4: A few seconds later: Before anyone claims it, no this is not due to the sun setting. I was able to replicate this three times in a row by going back to the navigation screen, switching out of SH4, switching back in, and going to the bridge. I was not able to do it just by switching out of and back into SH4 while on the bridge. I'm really hoping this can help someone on here to debug this problem for I miss the glorious sunrises and sunsets of SH3. Martin

03-29-07, 04:12 PM	#53
Dreamer Sailor man Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 46 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Just to make the point, here's another before/after. I've tried playing with the various graphics options to see if they have any effect on the duration but they don't. Martin

03-29-07, 05:08 PM	#55
DaWizeGuy Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 14 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I can confirm this. Strange indeed. Maybe ATI's driver simply don't recognize the game as a 3D application and thus don't render all screen effects?

03-29-07, 05:15 PM	#56
boatfull Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Same problem here as well. Using an ATI 850

03-29-07, 05:39 PM	#57
Antrodemus Torpedoman Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 117 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Great find guys! You should post this in the bugs thread : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=107766

03-29-07, 06:01 PM	#58
Oeivind Swabbie Join Date: May 2005 Location: Denmark Posts: 7 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Great observation! Seems there is still some hope to us ATI users to get our eyes blinded by the sun! Have reported the Bug again in the 1.1 BUG thread.