[REQ] SH4 commander - Page 6

mountainmanUK · 03-24-07, 12:13 PM

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But won't it lead people to falsely believe it will work on a Nintendo?

....or even a Commodore.

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Faamecanic · 03-24-07, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JScones

Thanks guys.

Just to be clear though, it's not the lack of "thanks" that's the catalyst for my decision (otherwise I would have left the software industry 15 years ago, LOL!). Over 7,500 people have d/l R2.7 from my site alone, so there's definitely plenty of happy users (ie the silent majority).

I'm seriously not expecting a thanks from every one of them.

I simply don't have the scope to provide support to the remainder to a level that some expect, or require (even less so from August when my third child makes an appearance).

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Originally Posted by Gizzmoe

It would be a nice if you could release the source code, so that whoever wants to continue the legacy of SH3 Commander doesn´t have to reinvent the wheel.

Unfortunately I use routines from my professional library which I am not willing to release into the public domain (indeed, some modules are subject to contractual obligations and the like).

However, as developers here will attest, I am always more than happy to provide routines, usually in the developer's language of choice, whenever asked.

Anyway, who says that there will even be a need for an SH4Cmdr? :hmm:

Here is one of those dl numbers...and I never thanked you. So THANKS

Sorry to hear you wont make a SH4Commander

But I totally understand. Send those complainers my way

and I'll Keel Haul THEM!

mountainmanUK · 03-24-07, 01:04 PM

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Anyway, who says that there will even be a need for an SH4Cmdr? :hmm:

@JScones,
Both your creations, JSGME and SH3Commander, have got to be THE most important parts of ANYONE'S SH3 installations, followed closely behind by GWX, NYGM TW etc.,..

Your support for these essentials has always been absolutely "spot-on", with the speedy replies that no-one EVER gets from a payware developer. but I can understand how disillusioning it must be to only hear "complaints" about your work.

It is a well-known fact that the "silent majority" very rarely post positive comments, or even ANY comments at all, whereas those who dominate threads with unreasonable criticism tend to receive all the attention, and then along come all the others who jump on the bandwagon with their own little whinges, most of which could have been instantly sorted out by RTFM!!!!!

For what it's worth, I could not imagine playing SH3 without SH3Commander, and I doubt whether SH4 will be anywhere near as good WITHOUT an SH4Commander.

I just wanted to add my sincere thanks for all your hard work over the past few years, in creating something which improved the enjoyment of many, many, thousands of SubSimmers. We are all indebted to you!

I genuinely hope that your own interest in SH4 might encourage you to have a rethink at some time in the future, but if not, then I wish you well in your own enjoyment of SH3/4. It IS about time that someone as dedicated to the wishes of others as you are, actually had the time to go out and PLAY the game itself!!!
GO SINK 'EM ALL, JAESSEN!!!

I thank you!

Dave H.

letterboy1 · 03-24-07, 01:12 PM

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Oh, here's a good name: SH4Kommander. Clever, huh? JScones will be none the wiser.

Seriously, I like the suggestion already made in a previous post: SubComPac. I think Irish1958 was thinking of that as well.

Or perhaps NinComPoop? :rotfl:

Stop using my name in vain!

panthercules · 03-24-07, 09:27 PM

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Oh, here's a good name: SH4Kommander. Clever, huh? JScones will be none the wiser.

Seriously, I like the suggestion already made in a previous post: SubComPac. I think Irish1958 was thinking of that as well.

Or perhaps NinComPoop? :rotfl:

Stop using my name in vain!

I'm with Donner on this one - COMSUBPAC (always seems to be in all-caps in anything official I've found so far) sounds like a winner to me - great news that someone will try to follow in The Great One's wake

JScones · 03-25-07, 01:51 AM

Looks like SH4 has built-in support for a few features included in SH3Cmdr:

1. Randomised tonnage. Not as powerful as SH3Cmdr's by the looks of things, but there nonetheless.

2. Date-based radio messages. Haven't sussed this out too much, but it looks like SH4 has internal support for date-based radio messages and the like. Looks like it could be extended to music as well.

3. Random/date-based skins (planes, ships and submarines). This I like! Seems one can set things up so that the same ship can use different skins depending not only on date, but country as well. Every British River Class, for example, could be set to use pink or green skins whilst every Australian River Class uses a blue one. And so on. Early/Mid/Late skin packs could be internally supported.

For planes, now we can have one model, but different skins for different countries and set it up through the cfg files so that Australia always shows the RAAF roundel skin, USA always the US one and so on. Could simulate roundel AND skin changes through dating them in the cfg files.

I did notice that the current files all point to tga files that don't exist. Perhaps the dds files are extracted before being used? Dunno...I'm not a graphics person.

Anyway, looks like three less things for "SH4Cmdr" to worry about? Indeed, these three things were three of the main reasons for SH3Cmdr's existance! Doesn't seem much use left for the Date folder concept now. :hmm:

"SH4Cmdr" may be easier than you think, Potoroo.

graffen · 03-25-07, 02:07 AM

You know, JScones, I would actually critique you in saying that you tried to provide too much individual assistance to SH3 Commander users. Your support was very often ultra-personal but maddeningly diverse for you, I imagine.

Here's something: My good friend and I exclusively developed Tweaper, a tweaker program for Oblivion. I convinced him to provide the program for free, and people liked it to the tune of 30,000 downloads. I guess we should have charged $1 for it. That would not have been unreasonable for the work put into it.

The loyalty to your programming here is complete and devout. Why should there not be a "SEND JAESEN'S KIDS TO COLLEGE FUND" around here?
Seriously, would any of us not pay AUS $3.00 for a license to use SH4 Commander? You know that we would. And we know that you know how to set up a shopping cart on a web site...

Just a thought.

gouldjg · 03-25-07, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by graffen

would any of us not pay AUS $3.00 for a license to use SH4 Commander? You know that we would. And we know that you know how to set up a shopping cart on a web site...

Just a thought.

I would pay,

glen689 · 03-27-07, 05:44 PM

I would pay as well for that extra level of immersion! In the US Navy, a yeoman is they record keeper for the ship. What about SH4 Yeoman? I do like a lot of the other suggestions too. Being a Navy vet in Naval Aviation (Fly Navy!), I always liked calling the squadron commander Skipper. Old Man was also a term of endearment for ship captains.

Potoroo · 03-27-07, 06:26 PM

I've gone with the working name SH4 Skipper as I had to call it something in order to get started. If there's a consensus for something different I can always change it later.

vois2 · 03-27-07, 09:48 PM

It will be interesting to see where you take things, Potoroo !!

Jimbuna · 03-28-07, 02:14 AM

If Jaesen is steadfast in his decision we should all respect that and that leaves me with one final message: A huge thanks for an excellent programme/aid to so many people on SS ....and good luck Potoroo

rascal101 · 03-28-07, 02:31 AM

Hi guys I live in Sydney, he's only two hours down the road I could go down and sort him out if you like

Seriously, tis a pity but perfectly understandable reposnse to the vitriol, (nastyness) that invades this hallowed forum from time to time.

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Originally Posted by JScones

Guys, the amount of "SH3Cmdr has killed my guppies and demagnetised my fridge magnets" posts I've read over the last two years from people who quickly forgot how much they paid for SH3Cmdr (or where the readme file was) has totally put me off even considering an SH4Cmdr.

Thus I will happily leave that fun to someone else.

To all the valued supporters and other happy SH3Cmdr users, sorry, but one can only be so patient.

JScones · 03-28-07, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by gouldjg

Please put a randomiser option in. Please please please.

I was hoping not to need it, but after a few hours play etc, I really do need it.

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FYI the code used in SH3Cmdr for the randomisation feature is totally dynamic, hence 100% compatible with SH4. Indeed, I am already using the function in SH4 (ah, the joys of personal modding), although I'm not yet sure about what best to randomise, LOL!.

I'm keen to see the scope of SH4 Skipper, considering that the devs have appeared to include a number of SH3Cmdr's features in SH4 (in addition to those I've posted above, there seems to be retirement, random crew names and post career bios and maybe one or two others). I'm sure Potoroo will suss out the other stock SH4 inclusions before getting too "into it" though.

Anyway, we'll see where his views are with randomisation. Having already stated that I won't be working on an SH4Cmdr, I don't want to undermine Potoroo's plans. Indeed, he may want to take a totally different approach altogether.

But he knows where I am if he wants assistance, otherwise I'll just butt out...

gouldjg · 03-28-07, 07:46 AM

Thanks for update Jscones

I, at the moment only need that one file of which I did the original chaos beta.

I hope and would be really grateful if this could be done by Potoroo.

If this is so, I am personally going to work on a number of areas but this will be a while as i still need to suss a few new things out with the current setup.

03-25-07, 01:51 AM	#81
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Looks like SH4 has built-in support for a few features included in SH3Cmdr: 1. Randomised tonnage. Not as powerful as SH3Cmdr's by the looks of things, but there nonetheless. 2. Date-based radio messages. Haven't sussed this out too much, but it looks like SH4 has internal support for date-based radio messages and the like. Looks like it could be extended to music as well. 3. Random/date-based skins (planes, ships and submarines). This I like! Seems one can set things up so that the same ship can use different skins depending not only on date, but country as well. Every British River Class, for example, could be set to use pink or green skins whilst every Australian River Class uses a blue one. And so on. Early/Mid/Late skin packs could be internally supported. For planes, now we can have one model, but different skins for different countries and set it up through the cfg files so that Australia always shows the RAAF roundel skin, USA always the US one and so on. Could simulate roundel AND skin changes through dating them in the cfg files. I did notice that the current files all point to tga files that don't exist. Perhaps the dds files are extracted before being used? Dunno...I'm not a graphics person. Anyway, looks like three less things for "SH4Cmdr" to worry about? Indeed, these three things were three of the main reasons for SH3Cmdr's existance! Doesn't seem much use left for the Date folder concept now. :hmm: "SH4Cmdr" may be easier than you think, Potoroo. Last edited by JScones; 03-25-07 at 02:54 AM.

03-27-07, 05:44 PM	#84
glen689 Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Harford County, Maryland Posts: 8 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I would pay as well for that extra level of immersion! In the US Navy, a yeoman is they record keeper for the ship. What about SH4 Yeoman? I do like a lot of the other suggestions too. Being a Navy vet in Naval Aviation (Fly Navy!), I always liked calling the squadron commander Skipper. Old Man was also a term of endearment for ship captains. __________________ 689: Always the same number... even upside down.

03-27-07, 06:26 PM	#85
Potoroo Navy Dude Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 173 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	I've gone with the working name SH4 Skipper as I had to call it something in order to get started. If there's a consensus for something different I can always change it later. __________________ Want to have multiple installations and keep your careers separate? Download MultiSH4: http://members.iinet.net.au/~potoroo/Downloads/SH4/MultiSH4.zip

03-27-07, 09:48 PM	#86
vois2 Engineer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Southwestern Ohio Posts: 213 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	It will be interesting to see where you take things, Potoroo !! __________________ I donate to Subsim because it is one of the best communities on the Interwebs. Stick around a couple of years, and you will see. You're never far from a friend here. Sunk at location vois22 [at] gmail . com

03-28-07, 02:14 AM	#87
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,584 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	If Jaesen is steadfast in his decision we should all respect that and that leaves me with one final message: A huge thanks for an excellent programme/aid to so many people on SS ....and good luck Potoroo __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

03-25-07, 02:07 AM	#82
graffen Swabbie Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 12 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	You know, JScones, I would actually critique you in saying that you tried to provide too much individual assistance to SH3 Commander users. Your support was very often ultra-personal but maddeningly diverse for you, I imagine. Here's something: My good friend and I exclusively developed Tweaper, a tweaker program for Oblivion. I convinced him to provide the program for free, and people liked it to the tune of 30,000 downloads. I guess we should have charged $1 for it. That would not have been unreasonable for the work put into it. The loyalty to your programming here is complete and devout. Why should there not be a "SEND JAESEN'S KIDS TO COLLEGE FUND" around here? Seriously, would any of us not pay AUS $3.00 for a license to use SH4 Commander? You know that we would. And we know that you know how to set up a shopping cart on a web site... Just a thought.

03-28-07, 07:46 AM	#90
gouldjg Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 881 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Thanks for update Jscones I, at the moment only need that one file of which I did the original chaos beta. I hope and would be really grateful if this could be done by Potoroo. If this is so, I am personally going to work on a number of areas but this will be a while as i still need to suss a few new things out with the current setup.