Damage Control thread - Page 2

HKLE · 03-26-07, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by stabiz

I have yet to survive damage, actually. And the interface is clearly much better in SH3.

I fully agree. I still am not used to the "table" like appearance of crew management. I miss SH3 style on this dearly. In SH3, you saw immediately, where the damage was, what to do and how much time to end.

I had a message "boat damaged" during an air raid and never saw the damage itself. I put some guys into maintenance crew, ordered them to repair whatever damage there was - no action proposed in the appropriate window.

Deck gun, Flak symbols where blue ?? (Is this the damage ? Or was that the symbol's colour before too ?)

JScones · 03-26-07, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

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Originally Posted by WilhelmSchulz.

THE DAMMAGE CONTROL SECTION DOSE NOT WORK! I had a depth charge go off in my face and it dammaged my tubes. I had a DC party try to fix them. THEY DID NOTHING!!!!

UBI! WHERE NOT BETA TESTERS!!!!!!!!

Maybe thoose toobs were dammaged beyonnd repare...? Did tehy work after you had a reffit?

ROFL. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

03-26-07, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by stabiz

I have yet to survive damage, actually. And the interface is clearly much better in SH3.

I agree about the interface, however I have survived floodings a few times

Crew have managed to pump out both forward and aft torp rooms from complete flooding,....I love this sim

Simon

partyboy · 03-26-07, 04:28 AM

My feeling is it's a combination of undocumented functions and bugs. Damage control is certainly fiddly, but sometimes things just refuse to be repaired for unexplainable reasons, or are repaired and keep breaking for no reason.

Ducimus · 03-26-07, 04:38 AM

After a tinsy bit of experimentation, im almost inclined to think that things are DESTROYED all to easily. I noticed that when an item is damaged, theres a vertical red bar. Some bars are 50%, others are 0%. My thought is everything on the boat is too fragile.

I noticed that alot of stuff that would normally be in the zones.cfg is seems to be acutally in the various files located at sh4\Data\UPCData\UPCUnitsData\

From what ive looked at, my hope that if one was to increase the hitpoints, that maybe these problems would go away. Just a thought.

Driftwood · 03-26-07, 06:15 AM

I posted my damage control trouble in another thread. I'm having the same thing happen. Manual says (pg 80) that the crew will begin repairs of any damage in their area. The damage control team you put together should increase the speed with which damage is repaired. But those damage indicator bars (in red) never move.

Liszt_ · 03-26-07, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by shmall

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Originally Posted by stabiz

I have yet to survive damage, actually. And the interface is clearly much better in SH3.

I agree about the interface, however I have survived floodings a few times

Crew have managed to pump out both forward and aft torp rooms from complete flooding,....I love this sim

Simon

To get a compartment that has flooding under control - the main pump needs to be functioning correct? I had flooding under control in the forward torp. Looked about knee hight. I decided to go to periscope to continue repairs and I sank like a rock.

WTF?

DJSatane · 03-26-07, 09:31 AM

Entire crew management system seems either broken of nullified, back in SH3 when i right clicked on compartment it would auto assign people there, so far I tried various things in SH4 and no avail. Further, damage control doesnt work at all as far as I can tell. I have to confirm on this. It seems to me damage control screen actually has less information than SH3 had...

Btw, I love when a crewmember is asleep and you move him out of that compartment, any crewmember you replace him with will automatically sleep too...lol I guess its a SLEEP DISEASE.

Ducimus · 03-26-07, 12:27 PM

After a bit of testing (IE crashed dived in shallow waters, sat on the bottom with high compression, diving to crush depth and staying there tell things broke, or just plain ole beaching the boat to incur damage), ive concluded that Damage control DOES work.

But you have to do a couple things first.

1.) Assign a damage control crew
2.) cilck the button to send them to work.

Until those two things are done, nothing will happen.

Three observations:

a.) The red vertical bar next to a component seems to reflect the level of damage. The lower the red bar is, the less damaged the item is. When the verticle red bar is nearly to the bottom, its almost done being repaired.

b.) Repairs seem to take a long time to complete as compared to say, Stock SH3. It seems the devs took a more realsitic approach to repair times

c.) catastrpohic damage seems to be just that, catastrophic. If you get a massive bomb hit from a plane, or stay at crush depth too long, doesn't seem to matter what you do, your sunk. I make this observation based on upping the hitpoints of various compartments and equipment. Even with a tougher sub, doesnt matter.

ON that note, ive created this test modlet if anyone wants to give it a whirl. All it does is.
a.) doubles thie hitpoints on various equipment (IE, 100 hps changed to 200 hitpoints)
b.) increases hitpoints on various comparments. For example i noticed some compartments were listed as having 200 hitpoints where in SH3/GWX they would have 400 htpoints.

So what you have here, is basically in theory, a tougher submarine, and less equipment being destroyed (destroyed means it cannot be repaired):
http://www.ducimus.net/sh4/Sub_equipment_test.7z

Onkel Neal · 03-26-07, 12:32 PM

Well done

So, it dose works after all...

Ducimus · 03-26-07, 12:35 PM

Oh yeah, on another note

If your main pump gets destroyed and you've taken on enough water to alter your boyancy to negative, your hosed. No pump, no water removal.

Im also theorizing that if you have major damage to a bulkhead (im guessing this means you have a big hole with water coming in), combined with a wrecked main pump, kiss it bye bye.

CCIP · 03-26-07, 12:50 PM

Great, why don't I see the modlet on the mods forum? It's a great idea. I remember increasing hitpoints for RUb in the same way based on gouldjg's research for SHIII, and it did work out quite well overall back in the day.

I also think that the damage and repair system works, works quite well, and actually works better than in SHIII when you get down to it. So far I've been able to manage repairs far more efficiently.

One thing that does tick me off is that repairs are NOT stopped by silent running as in SHIII. They should be.

AVGWarhawk · 03-26-07, 12:53 PM

Thanks Ducimus. I have experience just what you stated to do. I should know. I get blown to bottom every patrol and spend most of my time repairing my sub/uboat

. Yes, repair times are more realistic now.

FIREWALL · 03-26-07, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by fidget

2 things you need to do. First, staff up the damage control team at the crew management screen. I just yank the guys off the torpedo crews. Second, hit the 'Damage Control Team' enable button under the 'Sub Management' Section. It may not be realistic, but these guys were able to fix pressure hull damage with critical flooding along with a bunch of other stuff in a day. Oh, and remember to put the torpedo crews back on at the torpedos when they get the job done (or whevever you pulled them from).

And while your doing all that you'll be heading for the bottom and end of
game.

Ducimus · 03-26-07, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

Great, why don't I see the modlet on the mods forum?

I guess i undevalued it. I just sort of threw it together in about 15-20 mins, and ran some damage control tests with it. I didn't want to make a big deal out of it i guess. I'll post it in the mod forums if you think it should be.

edit:
ok i posted it. Happy now?

03-26-07, 06:15 AM	#21
Driftwood Chief Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Western NC Posts: 325 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I posted my damage control trouble in another thread. I'm having the same thing happen. Manual says (pg 80) that the crew will begin repairs of any damage in their area. The damage control team you put together should increase the speed with which damage is repaired. But those damage indicator bars (in red) never move. __________________ Retired US Army Paratrooper Virtual Sub Skipper

03-26-07, 09:31 AM	#23
DJSatane Electrician's Mate Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 140 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Entire crew management system seems either broken of nullified, back in SH3 when i right clicked on compartment it would auto assign people there, so far I tried various things in SH4 and no avail. Further, damage control doesnt work at all as far as I can tell. I have to confirm on this. It seems to me damage control screen actually has less information than SH3 had... Btw, I love when a crewmember is asleep and you move him out of that compartment, any crewmember you replace him with will automatically sleep too...lol I guess its a SLEEP DISEASE. __________________ DJSatane - https://twitter.com/DJSatane

03-26-07, 12:50 PM	#27
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Great, why don't I see the modlet on the mods forum? It's a great idea. I remember increasing hitpoints for RUb in the same way based on gouldjg's research for SHIII, and it did work out quite well overall back in the day. I also think that the damage and repair system works, works quite well, and actually works better than in SHIII when you get down to it. So far I've been able to manage repairs far more efficiently. One thing that does tick me off is that repairs are NOT stopped by silent running as in SHIII. They should be. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

03-26-07, 12:53 PM	#28
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,286 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Thanks Ducimus. I have experience just what you stated to do. I should know. I get blown to bottom every patrol and spend most of my time repairing my sub/uboat. Yes, repair times are more realistic now. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

03-26-07, 04:28 AM	#19
partyboy Helmsman Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 106 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	My feeling is it's a combination of undocumented functions and bugs. Damage control is certainly fiddly, but sometimes things just refuse to be repaired for unexplainable reasons, or are repaired and keep breaking for no reason.

03-26-07, 04:38 AM	#20
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	After a tinsy bit of experimentation, im almost inclined to think that things are DESTROYED all to easily. I noticed that when an item is damaged, theres a vertical red bar. Some bars are 50%, others are 0%. My thought is everything on the boat is too fragile. I noticed that alot of stuff that would normally be in the zones.cfg is seems to be acutally in the various files located at sh4\Data\UPCData\UPCUnitsData\ From what ive looked at, my hope that if one was to increase the hitpoints, that maybe these problems would go away. Just a thought.

03-26-07, 12:27 PM	#24
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	After a bit of testing (IE crashed dived in shallow waters, sat on the bottom with high compression, diving to crush depth and staying there tell things broke, or just plain ole beaching the boat to incur damage), ive concluded that Damage control DOES work. But you have to do a couple things first. 1.) Assign a damage control crew 2.) cilck the button to send them to work. Until those two things are done, nothing will happen. Three observations: a.) The red vertical bar next to a component seems to reflect the level of damage. The lower the red bar is, the less damaged the item is. When the verticle red bar is nearly to the bottom, its almost done being repaired. b.) Repairs seem to take a long time to complete as compared to say, Stock SH3. It seems the devs took a more realsitic approach to repair times c.) catastrpohic damage seems to be just that, catastrophic. If you get a massive bomb hit from a plane, or stay at crush depth too long, doesn't seem to matter what you do, your sunk. I make this observation based on upping the hitpoints of various compartments and equipment. Even with a tougher sub, doesnt matter. ON that note, ive created this test modlet if anyone wants to give it a whirl. All it does is. a.) doubles thie hitpoints on various equipment (IE, 100 hps changed to 200 hitpoints) b.) increases hitpoints on various comparments. For example i noticed some compartments were listed as having 200 hitpoints where in SH3/GWX they would have 400 htpoints. So what you have here, is basically in theory, a tougher submarine, and less equipment being destroyed (destroyed means it cannot be repaired): http://www.ducimus.net/sh4/Sub_equipment_test.7z

03-26-07, 12:32 PM	#25
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Well done So, it dose works after all...

03-26-07, 12:35 PM	#26
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Oh yeah, on another note If your main pump gets destroyed and you've taken on enough water to alter your boyancy to negative, your hosed. No pump, no water removal. Im also theorizing that if you have major damage to a bulkhead (im guessing this means you have a big hole with water coming in), combined with a wrecked main pump, kiss it bye bye.