Sunrise and Sunsets

cncllc · 03-24-07, 03:13 PM

Hmmm. An example of what I am seeing can be found in the first screenshot by gronbek:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...=107785&page=3

The sun is there, but the glare isn't.

Its the same for sunsets.

XanderF · 03-24-07, 10:56 PM

Yeah, I'm seeing the EXACT same thing - just started another thread on it, I guess a dup.

Are you running any mods at the moment? Using the stock .exe (patched or unpatched?), right? Running with V-Sync on? FSAA? AF?

I really want to get this fixed - it really is a lot like the 'bloom on' and 'bloom off' difference in Sh3...but that shouldn't be happening, here!

cncllc · 03-25-07, 08:03 AM

Yes! Bloom effect, I couldn't remember what it was called in SHIII. I'm running afew mods (ultimate sound, green lamp button mod) but the problem was there from the start. I manually edited the config for V-sync on and have reset all ATI Catalyst settings to their default - application controlled. As far as the .exe, I have a retail version from Gamestop patched to V1.1 .

I read over at UBI last night that the copy protection may be interfering with certain features of the game like the eyes of the crew. After reading that I fired SH4 up and at certain times the crew have missing eyes

. Kinda reminds me of "Event Horizen" where the crew rips out their eyes. According to the devs, they have found that in afew cases this happens even if running a legit version so their checking into it.

Are you running ATI or Nvidia?

DaMaGe007 · 03-25-07, 08:07 AM

The sunrise and sunsets are there but they dont affect the entire horizon as well as I would like.

TDK1044 · 03-25-07, 09:00 AM

They look stunning on my 7600GT with the latest Nvidia drivers.

Mud · 03-25-07, 09:53 AM

Looks ok , even on my ol' 6600

Mud

cncllc · 03-25-07, 11:07 AM

Hmmmm. I'm trying a re-install right now. The graphics got screwed up (REALLY BLURRY!) after XP noticed I held the shift key down longer than it thought I should and dropped me to desktop. When I reentered the game none of the buttons would work unitil I hit the ESC key, after that I had control but it just looked like crap.

XanderF · 03-25-07, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mud

Looks ok , even on my ol' 6600

Mud

Yeah, I totally don't get that at all.

My sun looks like the one in this guy's screenshot.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cncllc

Yes! Bloom effect, I couldn't remember what it was called in SHIII. I'm running afew mods (ultimate sound, green lamp button mod) but the problem was there from the start. I manually edited the config for V-sync on and have reset all ATI Catalyst settings to their default - application controlled. As far as the .exe, I have a retail version from Gamestop patched to V1.1 .

Are you running ATI or Nvidia?

Seems more like the issue would be the ATI vs nVidia instead of the copy protection, though. I run a pretty 'plain Jane' system. I have Nero installed, but none of the virtual disk stuff it has, and no other imaging or CD copying stuff installed. (I'm also a software tech professionally, so run a VERY clean system - registry always A-OK, always defraged, no viruses or spyware or anything, etc) Never run into a copy protection problem with any game before.

As you seem to have guessed (or found from another post), my system is ATI-based. Radeon X1950 Pro.

I also turned on the v-sync, though - it'd be unusual for that to be related, but...had you seen this BEFORE changing that setting? Otherwise, I'm completely running stock Sh4 + patch, and that's it. No other changes.

Soviet_Warlord · 03-25-07, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderF

My sun looks like the one in this guy's screenshot.

Same here, I don't have any bloom on my sun with an ATI x850xt, with Vsync enabled. Haven't tried it with it disabled yet.

XanderF · 03-26-07, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Soviet_Warlord

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Originally Posted by XanderF

My sun looks like the one in this guy's screenshot.

Same here, I don't have any bloom on my sun with an ATI x850xt, with Vsync enabled. Haven't tried it with it disabled yet.

Have you had a chance to try with this disabled?

Also, which Catalyst driver release are you using?

Günther Hessler · 03-26-07, 11:36 AM

Strange! I have the same "not shining" sun...

Ati X800 Pro with Catalyst 7.2 Vsync off

cncllc · 03-26-07, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderF

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mud

Looks ok , even on my ol' 6600

Mud

Yeah, I totally don't get that at all.

My sun looks like the one in this guy's screenshot.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cncllc

Yes! Bloom effect, I couldn't remember what it was called in SHIII. I'm running afew mods (ultimate sound, green lamp button mod) but the problem was there from the start. I manually edited the config for V-sync on and have reset all ATI Catalyst settings to their default - application controlled. As far as the .exe, I have a retail version from Gamestop patched to V1.1 .

Are you running ATI or Nvidia?

Seems more like the issue would be the ATI vs nVidia instead of the copy protection, though. I run a pretty 'plain Jane' system. I have Nero installed, but none of the virtual disk stuff it has, and no other imaging or CD copying stuff installed. (I'm also a software tech professionally, so run a VERY clean system - registry always A-OK, always defraged, no viruses or spyware or anything, etc) Never run into a copy protection problem with any game before.

As you seem to have guessed (or found from another post), my system is ATI-based. Radeon X1950 Pro.

I also turned on the v-sync, though - it'd be unusual for that to be related, but...had you seen this BEFORE changing that setting? Otherwise, I'm completely running stock Sh4 + patch, and that's it. No other changes.

Well the extreme blurry effect I experienced seemed to be a driver issue - so after 2 reloads of SH4 and 2 reloads of Cat 7.2 drivers I'm back in business.....But still not bloom effect

It seems we have a reverse situation in SH4 - in SHIII Nvidia users couldn't see the bloom effect but ATI was fine. As far as the V-sync question, I had played for awhile before changing the v-sync setting - so no, for me bloom was never there.

As far as the copy protection, you never really know what issues it can cause. I never would have guessed that missing eyes had anything to do with it until I read the Devs post. I run a pretty lean system as well, outside of Nero there is nothing that I can think of that would cause the protection scheme to question my copy of SH4 at all.

At this point it seems to be ATI specific, but it would be nice to have afew more confirmation of the effect not working or atleast 1 shot of an ATI with the bloom. Guess only time will tell.

OneTinSoldier · 03-26-07, 01:14 PM

For you guys not getting the excellent sunrise/sunsets... do you have 'Enviromental Effects' checked?

Does anyone get the beautiful effects WITHOUT having EE checked?

cncllc · 03-26-07, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneTinSoldier

For you guys not getting the excellent sunrise/sunsets... do you have 'Enviromental Effects' checked?

Does anyone get the beautiful effects WITHOUT having EE checked?

Yep, everything is on and set to high. I'm looking throught the configs now to double check.

anthonye · 03-26-07, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneTinSoldier

For you guys not getting the excellent sunrise/sunsets... do you have 'Enviromental Effects' checked?

Does anyone get the beautiful effects WITHOUT having EE checked?

Yes I have "Envirimental effects" checked in options

03-24-07, 10:56 PM	#2
XanderF Samurai Navy Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 554 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Yeah, I'm seeing the EXACT same thing - just started another thread on it, I guess a dup. Are you running any mods at the moment? Using the stock .exe (patched or unpatched?), right? Running with V-Sync on? FSAA? AF? I really want to get this fixed - it really is a lot like the 'bloom on' and 'bloom off' difference in Sh3...but that shouldn't be happening, here! __________________

03-26-07, 01:14 PM	#13
OneTinSoldier Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Denver, CO USA Posts: 382 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	For you guys not getting the excellent sunrise/sunsets... do you have 'Enviromental Effects' checked? Does anyone get the beautiful effects WITHOUT having EE checked? __________________ "Variable this is EasyRhino, do you copy? Over." Loud and clear EasyRhino. "Do we have a gig? Over." That's a Roger, we have a gig. Target is painted, start the music. "Roger that Variable. Into attack. Pickling target. Target is acquired and lit. LGB comin' down!" EasyRhino, circular error probability zero. Impact with High Order Detonation. Thank You, have a nice day.

03-24-07, 03:13 PM	#1
cncllc Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Hmmm. An example of what I am seeing can be found in the first screenshot by gronbek: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...=107785&page=3 The sun is there, but the glare isn't. Its the same for sunsets.

03-25-07, 08:03 AM	#3
cncllc Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Yes! Bloom effect, I couldn't remember what it was called in SHIII. I'm running afew mods (ultimate sound, green lamp button mod) but the problem was there from the start. I manually edited the config for V-sync on and have reset all ATI Catalyst settings to their default - application controlled. As far as the .exe, I have a retail version from Gamestop patched to V1.1 . I read over at UBI last night that the copy protection may be interfering with certain features of the game like the eyes of the crew. After reading that I fired SH4 up and at certain times the crew have missing eyes . Kinda reminds me of "Event Horizen" where the crew rips out their eyes. According to the devs, they have found that in afew cases this happens even if running a legit version so their checking into it. Are you running ATI or Nvidia?

03-25-07, 08:07 AM	#4
DaMaGe007 Watch Officer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 338 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The sunrise and sunsets are there but they dont affect the entire horizon as well as I would like.

03-25-07, 09:00 AM	#5
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	They look stunning on my 7600GT with the latest Nvidia drivers.

03-25-07, 09:53 AM	#6
Mud Captain Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 541 Downloads: 50 Uploads: 0	Looks ok , even on my ol' 6600 Mud

03-25-07, 11:07 AM	#7
cncllc Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Hmmmm. I'm trying a re-install right now. The graphics got screwed up (REALLY BLURRY!) after XP noticed I held the shift key down longer than it thought I should and dropped me to desktop. When I reentered the game none of the buttons would work unitil I hit the ESC key, after that I had control but it just looked like crap.

03-26-07, 11:36 AM	#11
Günther Hessler Watch Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Stuttgart, Germany Posts: 18 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Strange! I have the same "not shining" sun... Ati X800 Pro with Catalyst 7.2 Vsync off