Interactive Crew and Gauges in 3D

OneTinSoldier · 03-24-07, 11:46 AM

Hi,

Just thought it'd be interesting to see what percentage of people miss the interactive crew and gauges in the 3D compartments from SH3. I know I do! As many folks have already said, I feel it made you seem as if you were part of of the crew and what's going on with your sub. Right now I feel like I'm just along for the ride.

In the MS Flight Sim world, these would be called Dynamic(interactive) Virtual Cockpits. MS continued to improve upon it in succesive versions of it's sim. To me, SH4 has gone backwards in this area rather than improve upon what they gave us in SH3, although this is just one aspect of the Silent Hunter sim. There are a number of improvements in SH4 to be sure. But how do you feel about what was done with this feature in SH4?

Cheers

RedHammer · 03-24-07, 11:49 AM

Yeah, would be cool to have. Especially interactive 3D gauges. But first and foremost the real bugs to be fixed.

S! to all

Your Friend in the Pacific.

RH

OneTinSoldier · 03-24-07, 11:59 AM

Thanks for the reply. I certainly understand about bugs. I want to note that there are a couple of 3D gauges such as sonar and radar, but even they seem a little lacking. Switches/knobs do not move visually, no numbers on the range knob, ect. I think having moving switches and knobs with proper markings would make it a lot more immersive! Including getting back the functioning gauges in 3D for setting, heading, speed, depth, ect.

Cheers

Rykaird · 03-24-07, 01:01 PM

I want to interact with the sub, its equipment, and its crew, not a game interface.

The game feels like a shooting gallery to me otherwise, not a sim.

R3D · 03-24-07, 01:15 PM

on some subs the interactive crew are still there minus the actual options that usually appeared in sh3, im quite sure that all this stuff was left out because the game was being rushed to meet the deadline.

very dissapointed at how many features are missing/broken.

Faamecanic · 03-24-07, 01:17 PM

Very disappointed as a whole with SH4. The immersive environment that exsisted with SH3 is just not there with SH4.

I bought the game, and am awaiting patches and mods....but unless there is a significant change to the immersiveness, I have a feeling SH3 and GWX will live a longer lifespan on my HDD.

OneTinSoldier · 03-24-07, 02:01 PM

I'm not sure if they change this aspect of the sim or not, that's part of the reason for the poll, to hopefully get some attention to it.

But I remember when SH3 first came out. It was very buggy and lacking in a lot of areas too. When I learned of the faked higher resolutions and lack of Anti-Aliasing for SH4 I wasn't even going to get SH4. But I changed my mind right at the time they acknowledged those issues and said they were hoping to fix those them. And I've seen a fellow who I believe is a Dev state that the next patch 'would' have Anti-Aliasing.

Seeing that, and remembering how much they fixed up, and enhanced SH3, has renewed my faith and has caused me to no longer feel a need to bash SH4. And my hope is maybe they will consider enhancing it by making the 3D interface more interactive! I'm ready to have a more positive outlook now. Although I know we won't all get everything we want, here's to hoping this might be one feature.

Rykaird · 03-24-07, 02:06 PM

Here's another way to look at it: if Ubi offered to upgrade SHIII with SHIV graphics quality, but in order to do so they would also eliminate the interactive elements in SHIII, would you want that? Not me.

For me this is the single worst element of SHIV. I'm starting to believe the only reason they bothered to create the completely useless 3D control room was just for the box art.

OneTinSoldier · 03-24-07, 10:38 PM

bump

Cakewalk · 03-24-07, 11:44 PM

I never really used the 3D crew, except for the Watch Captain. Mostly I just used keyboard shortcuts.

Iron Budokan · 03-26-07, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rykaird

Here's another way to look at it: if Ubi offered to upgrade SHIII with SHIV graphics quality, but in order to do so they would also eliminate the interactive elements in SHIII, would you want that? Not me.

For me this is the single worst element of SHIV. I'm starting to believe the only reason they bothered to create the completely useless 3D control room was just for the box art.

I miss the interaction with the crew, too.

fastfed · 03-26-07, 09:18 AM

Anyone know why they didn't add this to SH4??

Was it because they were lazy? Has there been a real reason for this?
IMO its got to be because they just didn't have the time/money to
add this already done feature.

1mPHUNit0 · 03-26-07, 09:26 AM

If you need a sim ...go back to sh3 sh2 sh1
If you need a palyable game sim like
and enjoyable then no question...they have to do that

But do you like a car without windows?
And if they say ok, i give you a window,
alè alè alè?
Or, no dear, you have to put it and no questions?

OneTinSoldier · 03-26-07, 10:27 AM

I can see that 76 percent of respondents so far would like the return of 3D Interactive Crew and Gauges. I hope Ubi might see this and that it opens some eyebrows over there! :hmm:

Thanks to all that have voted.

1mPHUNit0,

Again, I made this poll with a 'Constructive Critisism Wishlist' type of mindset and not a Bashfest mindset.

1mPHUNit0 · 03-27-07, 06:29 AM

Voted dear.
A 'Constructive Critisism Wishlist' indeed.
But there is not only your kind of criticism...there it's mine too

View Poll Results: Do you miss the interactive crew and gauges in 3D?
You bet I do!	305	78.61%
Doesn't really matter much to me	64	16.49%
Nope, I'd prefer not to interact with crew in 3D	19	4.90%
Voters: 388. You may not vote on this poll

03-24-07, 11:46 AM	#1
OneTinSoldier Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Denver, CO USA Posts: 382 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	Interactive Crew and Gauges in 3D Hi, Just thought it'd be interesting to see what percentage of people miss the interactive crew and gauges in the 3D compartments from SH3. I know I do! As many folks have already said, I feel it made you seem as if you were part of of the crew and what's going on with your sub. Right now I feel like I'm just along for the ride. In the MS Flight Sim world, these would be called Dynamic(interactive) Virtual Cockpits. MS continued to improve upon it in succesive versions of it's sim. To me, SH4 has gone backwards in this area rather than improve upon what they gave us in SH3, although this is just one aspect of the Silent Hunter sim. There are a number of improvements in SH4 to be sure. But how do you feel about what was done with this feature in SH4? Cheers __________________ "Variable this is EasyRhino, do you copy? Over." Loud and clear EasyRhino. "Do we have a gig? Over." That's a Roger, we have a gig. Target is painted, start the music. "Roger that Variable. Into attack. Pickling target. Target is acquired and lit. LGB comin' down!" EasyRhino, circular error probability zero. Impact with High Order Detonation. Thank You, have a nice day.

03-24-07, 11:59 AM	#3
OneTinSoldier Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Denver, CO USA Posts: 382 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	Thanks for the reply. I certainly understand about bugs. I want to note that there are a couple of 3D gauges such as sonar and radar, but even they seem a little lacking. Switches/knobs do not move visually, no numbers on the range knob, ect. I think having moving switches and knobs with proper markings would make it a lot more immersive! Including getting back the functioning gauges in 3D for setting, heading, speed, depth, ect. Cheers __________________ "Variable this is EasyRhino, do you copy? Over." Loud and clear EasyRhino. "Do we have a gig? Over." That's a Roger, we have a gig. Target is painted, start the music. "Roger that Variable. Into attack. Pickling target. Target is acquired and lit. LGB comin' down!" EasyRhino, circular error probability zero. Impact with High Order Detonation. Thank You, have a nice day.

03-24-07, 02:01 PM	#7
OneTinSoldier Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Denver, CO USA Posts: 382 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	I'm not sure if they change this aspect of the sim or not, that's part of the reason for the poll, to hopefully get some attention to it. But I remember when SH3 first came out. It was very buggy and lacking in a lot of areas too. When I learned of the faked higher resolutions and lack of Anti-Aliasing for SH4 I wasn't even going to get SH4. But I changed my mind right at the time they acknowledged those issues and said they were hoping to fix those them. And I've seen a fellow who I believe is a Dev state that the next patch 'would' have Anti-Aliasing. Seeing that, and remembering how much they fixed up, and enhanced SH3, has renewed my faith and has caused me to no longer feel a need to bash SH4. And my hope is maybe they will consider enhancing it by making the 3D interface more interactive! I'm ready to have a more positive outlook now. Although I know we won't all get everything we want, here's to hoping this might be one feature. __________________ "Variable this is EasyRhino, do you copy? Over." Loud and clear EasyRhino. "Do we have a gig? Over." That's a Roger, we have a gig. Target is painted, start the music. "Roger that Variable. Into attack. Pickling target. Target is acquired and lit. LGB comin' down!" EasyRhino, circular error probability zero. Impact with High Order Detonation. Thank You, have a nice day.

03-24-07, 10:38 PM	#9
OneTinSoldier Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Denver, CO USA Posts: 382 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	bump __________________ "Variable this is EasyRhino, do you copy? Over." Loud and clear EasyRhino. "Do we have a gig? Over." That's a Roger, we have a gig. Target is painted, start the music. "Roger that Variable. Into attack. Pickling target. Target is acquired and lit. LGB comin' down!" EasyRhino, circular error probability zero. Impact with High Order Detonation. Thank You, have a nice day.

03-24-07, 11:49 AM	#2
RedHammer Loader Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 88 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 0	Yeah, would be cool to have. Especially interactive 3D gauges. But first and foremost the real bugs to be fixed. S! to all Your Friend in the Pacific. RH

03-24-07, 01:01 PM	#4
Rykaird Weps Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 356 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	I want to interact with the sub, its equipment, and its crew, not a game interface. The game feels like a shooting gallery to me otherwise, not a sim.

03-24-07, 01:15 PM	#5
R3D Gunner Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 91 Downloads: 88 Uploads: 0	on some subs the interactive crew are still there minus the actual options that usually appeared in sh3, im quite sure that all this stuff was left out because the game was being rushed to meet the deadline. very dissapointed at how many features are missing/broken.

03-24-07, 01:17 PM	#6
Faamecanic Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: Off your Stb side with good solution Posts: 1,065 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	Very disappointed as a whole with SH4. The immersive environment that exsisted with SH3 is just not there with SH4. I bought the game, and am awaiting patches and mods....but unless there is a significant change to the immersiveness, I have a feeling SH3 and GWX will live a longer lifespan on my HDD.

03-24-07, 02:06 PM	#8
Rykaird Weps Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 356 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	Here's another way to look at it: if Ubi offered to upgrade SHIII with SHIV graphics quality, but in order to do so they would also eliminate the interactive elements in SHIII, would you want that? Not me. For me this is the single worst element of SHIV. I'm starting to believe the only reason they bothered to create the completely useless 3D control room was just for the box art.

03-24-07, 11:44 PM	#10
Cakewalk Engineer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 212 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	I never really used the 3D crew, except for the Watch Captain. Mostly I just used keyboard shortcuts.

03-26-07, 09:18 AM	#12
fastfed Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 786 Downloads: 254 Uploads: 0	Anyone know why they didn't add this to SH4?? Was it because they were lazy? Has there been a real reason for this? IMO its got to be because they just didn't have the time/money to add this already done feature.

03-26-07, 09:26 AM	#13
1mPHUNit0 Chief Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 313 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	If you need a sim ...go back to sh3 sh2 sh1 If you need a palyable game sim like and enjoyable then no question...they have to do that But do you like a car without windows? And if they say ok, i give you a window, alè alè alè? Or, no dear, you have to put it and no questions?

03-26-07, 10:27 AM	#14
OneTinSoldier Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Denver, CO USA Posts: 382 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	I can see that 76 percent of respondents so far would like the return of 3D Interactive Crew and Gauges. I hope Ubi might see this and that it opens some eyebrows over there! :hmm: Thanks to all that have voted. 1mPHUNit0, Again, I made this poll with a 'Constructive Critisism Wishlist' type of mindset and not a Bashfest mindset. __________________ "Variable this is EasyRhino, do you copy? Over." Loud and clear EasyRhino. "Do we have a gig? Over." That's a Roger, we have a gig. Target is painted, start the music. "Roger that Variable. Into attack. Pickling target. Target is acquired and lit. LGB comin' down!" EasyRhino, circular error probability zero. Impact with High Order Detonation. Thank You, have a nice day.

03-27-07, 06:29 AM	#15
1mPHUNit0 Chief Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 313 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	Voted dear. A 'Constructive Critisism Wishlist' indeed. But there is not only your kind of criticism...there it's mine too