The new Cold war with Russia - The Cold War Is On!

SUBMAN1 · 03-22-07, 03:28 PM

Interesting opinion and one that make sense.

-S

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"...unlike Soviet times, Russia is not out to make mischief for the West. Russia wants to use its influence to build bridges, initiate dialogue, and play a positive role."

- Yevgeny Satanovsky, president of the independent Institute of Middle East Studies in Moscow, 2/21/2006 7

"One state, the United States, has overstepped its national borders in every way...the almost uncontained hyper use of force in international relations...It is a world of one master, one sovereign ... it has nothing to do with democracy...This is nourishing the wish of countries to get nuclear weapons...This is very dangerous, nobody feels secure anymore because nobody can hide behind international law..."
- Vladmir Putin, Security Forum, Munich Germany, 02/11/2007 10

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...For a number of years, the hints have been apparent to those looking. In some ways, it has been apparent only as a sort of feeling of deja vu, a little like reading a few pages into a book and then realizing, "Hey, I've read this book!". That realization -- that inkling suddenly becomes a ull blown spine tingler...when you mentally put a finger on a passage and say before you've read it, "this is going to happen, you watch." And then you know. It's all happened before. In this case, we're saying there is a New Cold War in operation today, and it has been in operation for some time.

In politics and history, the same feeling can be had when history begins to repeat itself -- or at least patterns emerge that you've seen before. Especially when the people involved give you clues or the nations involved resembles a familiar pattern -- one you remember occuring not so long ago. Then, when governments return to age old practices that you had hoped were gone for good, you know it is more than just a vague feeling, it is a full blown epiphany. Thus we arrive at the situation today, the New Cold War brewing away, and in places, it is not so cold, it is damned well on fire.

We should note up front that this discussion will focus on the Middle East viewpoint, with mention of Europe and the Americas only made tangentially to that focus. However, there is additional evidence of the New Cold War worldwide, and we invite you to explore that for yourself. Don't be thrown off, for instance, by our lack of focus on the major Old Cold War tensions in Europe, where billions of dollars and millions of man-hours were spent in watching for a Soviet incursion into Western Europe. That is a story for another day...

Read on here - http://www.milnet.com/opinion/Cold-War-Is-On.html

elite_hunter_sh3 · 03-22-07, 04:26 PM

FINALLY!!

russia kick some a**!! w00t putin finally russia can stop america from governing the world

Oberon · 03-22-07, 04:46 PM

This is personally an opinion I have fostered for some time in some respects...that since, I'd say the Serbian crisis, a new Cold War has been brewing...accelerated by actions of both Russia and the US. To most countries though, Russia has fallen off the scope, it's all China, Korea and the Middle East now. In recent years there has been a small rise in Russian militarisation, not a rise such as a realm of new vehicles and manpower being put into service...no...that would just create alarm in the wrong places....but carefully planned exercises, one involving a full test of the nuclear ability IIRC, overseen by Putin himself, and a more aggressive posture towards its ex-WP neighbours. I can't see a return to the days of the 1960s though, Russia may forceably annex several nearby neighbours but it won't get far...Europe still remembers the days of the Cold War, and the reaction will be quick and bloody. But...now we are at a precarious point...the nations are divided, the powerful military forces tied up far away from the European battlefield...if ever there was a time to strike...now would be it. BUT Russia is not that stupid

There's no doubt about it though, through some very careful and clever movements, Putin has given Russia a greater hold over Europe than it had in the 1990s, particularly energy-wise.

It could be a 'Cold War' in more than one sense of the term....

kiwi_2005 · 03-22-07, 04:56 PM

According to the Timetraveller who claims he lives 50yrs in the future, the USA and RUSSIAN will be best friends and go to war as allies in the last war which is suppose to be within 12yrs. :hmm:

SUBMAN1 · 03-22-07, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kiwi_2005

According to the Timetraveller who claims he lives 50yrs in the future, the USA and RUSSIAN will be best friends and go to war as allies in the last war which is suppose to be within 12yrs. :hmm:

I read that too, and Russia will nuke the US in 2015, so I am not sure what you read. Russia will not be able to stop the US, and will nuke the US to remove the US Government. Better get some good sunblock! They will also nuke China, and also get nuked in return. Apparently 3 Bill people get to die in the chaos.

But obviously parallel universes do not play out the same since we are supposed to have Civil war in the US right now. So obviously he is full of BS, or things will not quite be as predicted.

ASWnut101 · 03-22-07, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

FINALLY!!

russia kick some a**!! w00t putin finally russia can stop america from governing the world

:rotfl: Dream on, dream on.

SUBMAN1 · 03-22-07, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ASWnut101

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Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

FINALLY!!

russia kick some a**!! w00t putin finally russia can stop america from governing the world

:rotfl: Dream on, dream on.

Yep - I agree. The only way to accomplish this is to destabilize the US to such a degree that it is much less strong. Hmm, that other communist thread seems to show them doing that!!!?? Ah oh!

-S

PS. Might as well give up the Hummer now Elite! You won't get to keep it in the near future.

Kapitan_Phillips · 03-23-07, 04:20 AM

2015?

I'll only just be married by then!!

The Avon Lady · 03-23-07, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

FINALLY!!

russia kick some a**!! w00t putin finally russia can stop america from governing the world

Dah! Welcome with open arms, comrades, the Neo-Soviet Union, which sounds somewhat like a return of the Oldo-Soviet Union. :hmm:

SUBMAN1 · 03-23-07, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Dah! Welcome with open arms, comrades, the Neo-Soviet Union, which sounds someone like a return of the Oldo-Soviet Union. :hmm:

I wonder if Elite knows that the new Soviet Union will be run by the United States?

-S

August · 03-23-07, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Dah! Welcome with open arms, comrades, the Neo-Soviet Union, which sounds someone like a return of the Oldo-Soviet Union. :hmm:

I wonder if Elite knows that the new Soviet Union will be run by the United States?

-S

I wonder if he knows that under the commies his dads humvee would be seized by the state?

cobalt · 03-23-07, 11:26 AM

world war 3! finally!

I was beginning to think i'd miss it.

Oberon · 03-23-07, 11:50 AM

So...now's not the best time to invest in a property in the Fulda Gap area then I take it?

SUBMAN1 · 03-23-07, 03:10 PM

Russia is selling Mach 3 anti ship missiles to Iran and China it seems to stir the pot. They are probably just dying to have one of these countries use one against a carrier.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20...ako7y_orw538_1

-S

elite_hunter_sh3 · 03-23-07, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by August

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Dah! Welcome with open arms, comrades, the Neo-Soviet Union, which sounds someone like a return of the Oldo-Soviet Union. :hmm:

I wonder if Elite knows that the new Soviet Union will be run by the United States?

-S

I wonder if he knows that under the commies his dads humvee would be seized by the state?

well

1. aint gonna be no commies, just putin in power with capitalist system, no communist government, and since capitalism worked so well for us and got em money

then russia will be even stronger

2. ill blow it up then see it fall into someone eleses hands...

03-22-07, 04:56 PM	#4
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	According to the Timetraveller who claims he lives 50yrs in the future, the USA and RUSSIAN will be best friends and go to war as allies in the last war which is suppose to be within 12yrs. :hmm: __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

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Kapitan_Phillips Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Swansea Posts: 3,903 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	2015? I'll only just be married by then!! __________________ Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten me into.

03-23-07, 11:26 AM	#12
cobalt Commander Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 440 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	world war 3! finally! I was beginning to think i'd miss it. __________________ download my playable viic/41 submarine http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=107315 http://files.filefront.com/CobaltsVI.../fileinfo.html

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SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Russia is selling Mach 3 anti ship missiles to Iran and China it seems to stir the pot. They are probably just dying to have one of these countries use one against a carrier. http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20...ako7y_orw538_1 -S __________________

03-22-07, 04:26 PM	#2
elite_hunter_sh3 The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,376 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	FINALLY!! russia kick some a**!! w00t putin finally russia can stop america from governing the world

03-22-07, 04:46 PM	#3
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	This is personally an opinion I have fostered for some time in some respects...that since, I'd say the Serbian crisis, a new Cold War has been brewing...accelerated by actions of both Russia and the US. To most countries though, Russia has fallen off the scope, it's all China, Korea and the Middle East now. In recent years there has been a small rise in Russian militarisation, not a rise such as a realm of new vehicles and manpower being put into service...no...that would just create alarm in the wrong places....but carefully planned exercises, one involving a full test of the nuclear ability IIRC, overseen by Putin himself, and a more aggressive posture towards its ex-WP neighbours. I can't see a return to the days of the 1960s though, Russia may forceably annex several nearby neighbours but it won't get far...Europe still remembers the days of the Cold War, and the reaction will be quick and bloody. But...now we are at a precarious point...the nations are divided, the powerful military forces tied up far away from the European battlefield...if ever there was a time to strike...now would be it. BUT Russia is not that stupid There's no doubt about it though, through some very careful and clever movements, Putin has given Russia a greater hold over Europe than it had in the 1990s, particularly energy-wise. It could be a 'Cold War' in more than one sense of the term....

03-23-07, 11:50 AM	#13
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	So...now's not the best time to invest in a property in the Fulda Gap area then I take it?