1963 Communist Goals

[Letum]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Communist party was his sources - we have one in the US.

heh! Doesn't look like they would have got very far down the list if they leaked their agenda so readily.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Letum

heh! Doesn't look like they would have got very far down the list if they leaked their agenda so readily.

The parties here in the US are open and actively try to get their messages out, so this doesn't surprise me. They think people want this which is why, and sadly, they are slowly erroding away our values to accomplish it since they have got their hooks into the democaratic party as a back up.

-S

[Letum]

Just for fun lets see how they did:


1) Coexistence: Partial success
2) Capitulate: Fail
3) "moral strength": Fail
4) Free trade: Partial success
5) Loans: Partial success
6) American aid: Mainly failed
7) Recognition of China and UN: Total success
8) East and West Germany: Total Fail
9) Prolong the atomic conferences: I don't know
10) Representation in the UN: Partial success
11) One world government: Fail
12) Resist outlaw the Communist Party: Success
13) Do away with loyalty oaths: Partial success in some places
14) Access to the US Patent Office: Total success, it's even on google patents now!
15) Capture political parties: Fail
16) Civil rights abuse: Fail ASAIK
17) Get control of the schools: Fail AFAIK
18) Student newspapers: dont know/Highly subjective
19) Student riots: Dont Know
20) Infiltrate the press. Dont Know
21) TV: Dont Know
22) Degrading all form of art: dont know/Highly subjective
23) Control art critics dont know/Highly subjective
24) Eliminate "censorship": Partial success
25) Promoting pornography: Success
26) Homosexuality "normal, natural, and healthy": Partial success
27) Discredit the Bible: Partial success
28) Eliminate prayer in schools: Partial success in places
29) Discredit the American Constitution: Mostly a Fail
30) Discredit the American founding fathers. Fail
31) Belittle all forms of American culture: Fail
32) Centralized welfare: Mostly failed(?)
33) Eliminate laws which interfere w. Communist: Fail (?)
34) Eliminate Committee on Un-American Activities. dont know
35) Dismantle the FBI: Fail
36) Gain control of more unions: Fail ASAIK
37) Infiltrate big business: Fail ASAIK
38) Powers of arrest to social agencies. dont know
39) Dominate the psychiatric profession: Fail AFAIK
40) Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41) raise children away from parents: Fail
42) violence is American tradition: Fail
43) Overthrow all colonial governments dont know
44) Internationalize the Panama Canal. dont know (although I should)
45) Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike. dont know (although I should)

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Letum

Just for fun lets see how they did:

My take on it on the parts I disagree on -


1) Coexistence: I'd say full success here if you include China

3) "moral strength": Partial Succes In progress - we are now a perfessional army and a much smaller army

6) American aid: I'd say partial success here - we have a lot of $$$ tied up over there right now.

9) Prolong the atomic conferences: Success - They are still ongoing - now with N. Korea even
10) Representation in the UN: hmm. have to think about this one
11) One world government: "In progress" would be better I think. Look around - Europe and the European Union. Bush just made Canada Mexico and the same nation practically (what is he thinking?). Kerry and party wanting to give powers over to the UN and even the World court. It is happening.

15) Capture political parties: Success - Democrats has a very Socialistic approach. Hillary has made some Communistic type statements about redistributing the wealthy's money, etc.

16) Civil rights abuse: Success - We hear how the ALCU did this and that every day in the name of Civil Rights. Can't even display a religious symbol on public property for example.

17) Get control of the schools: Success - It is all you hear out of Universities now. There are even cases of people failing if they state they have any conservative feelings. Its ugly.


19) Student riots: Success - Vietnam is an example
20) Infiltrate the press. Success - They push very Solcialistic views on a daily basis.

21) TV: Success - Desperate housewifes is an example

22) Degrading all form of art: dont know/Highly subjective - I agree, but art lately is well, not art to me - its Ugly!

23) Control art critics dont know/Highly subjective - I agree again, but I'd say success due to #22.

28) Eliminate prayer in schools: Success. It is not permitted in public schools here
.
29) Discredit the American Constitution: Mostly a Fail - Agree though it is under attack daily.

32) Centralized welfare: Partial Success - half is still controlled by a given state, some is private, some controlled by US Gov.

33) Eliminate laws which interfere w. Communist: Partial Success - but this is dependant on perspective so highly subjective to what law you are looking at. If its free trade for example, or if it's outlawing the Communist party is another.

34) Eliminate Committee on Un-American Activities. Success - There is no committee anymore if one existed at one time.

37) Infiltrate big business: Partial success??? - some companies are touting Socialistic ideas, and even central control. Software comes to mind.

38) Powers of arrest to social agencies. Success. Look at SPCA or even mental institutions.

40) Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce. Success
41) raise children away from parents: Success - Most families have 2 incomes and children are raised by Daycare with their own state guided way of raising them.

42) violence is American tradition: Success - Look at Hollywood.

44) Internationalize the Panama Canal. Success - I think Panama is in control of this now and it is an international waterway

45) Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike. Fail - but possibly in the near future this will be a success - Kerry wants to transfer power to the World Court, but this hasn't happened yet.

[joea]

Communism is finished, can't you Yanks get your heads out of the Cold War. If the commies won, why the hell did the USSR and Yugoslavia collapse into chaos and in some cases bloodshed. Even the Chinese are capitalist now.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by joea

Even the Chinese are capitalist now.

Not even close. They just rewrote the rules so that Communism can win.

Even Putin is on the way back to Communism.

[August]

Originally Posted by joea

Communism is finished, can't you Yanks get your heads out of the Cold War. If the commies won, why the hell did the USSR and Yugoslavia collapse into chaos and in some cases bloodshed. Even the Chinese are capitalist now.

Don't be saying "Yanks" as if we all think that way dude.

[August]

Communism can only work in very small, and isolated, communities and even then it is unstable. It will never work in any social group thats too big for everyone to know everyone else without quickly degenerating into totalitarianism.

[joea]

Originally Posted by August

Don't be saying "Yanks" as if we all think that way dude.

Fixxed dude...sorry I type without thinking sometimes. :p

[Tchocky]

That list can be spun in many different ways. Guys, if you're offering answers to the points, would ye mind including the full point, not just a 2/3-word summary? My scroll finger hurts from checking and rechecking

i suppose I'm more with Letum than SUBMAN here (quelle surprise..), but mostly because he's added "highly subjective"....

[Takeda Shingen]

Socialism is not communism. You cannot use the terms interchangably. Socialism is an economic philosophy. Communism is a governing style. The Soviet Union was a Socialist Dictatorship. It was never communist. In fact, there has never been a communist nation.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

YES FINALLY SOMEONE WHO IS BACKING THE IDEA OF SOCIALISM IS PERFECT (in theory) communism made it look bad

[ASWnut101]

I don't think he was backing it, more of separating the meanings of the two words.

And what do you mean by "communism made it look bad?"

[Tchocky]

Ha. Where you getting that from?

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

YES FINALLY SOMEONE WHO IS BACKING THE IDEA OF SOCIALISM IS PERFECT (in theory) communism made it look bad

I think its about as far from perfect that you can get - both in values and morals.

Oops, I take that back, it is perfect in a robot society. I guess if robots knock us off, except for a slave population, it might be perfect, and I suspect robots would also follow the same sort of linear society. Not much freedom in that.

-S

PS. Old addage - Give me Freedom or give me Death! Socialism is not freedom.

PPS. One more thought - your Hummer that you're all proud about doesn't exist in a Socialist society - you would not be able to afford it.