Please convince me SHIV isn't just SHIII W/ grafix improvements???

[malkuth74]

Originally Posted by AJ!

Hang on a min...

It seems that the rez is still locked at 1024x768

Is that actualy true? So theres no option to change the rez?

Yes you can change the rez. But some have reported the only thing that changes is the dials which are 2d. The 3d part of the game stays at 1024*768 and is stretched to fit a higher resolution. There have been a number of people saying this so I'm tending to believe its true now.

[AJ!]

Originally Posted by Gizzmoe

You can change the resolution to whatever your system supports.

ah thanks gizz

[XanderF]

Originally Posted by malkuth74

Yes you can change the rez. But some have reported the only thing that changes is the dials which are 2d. The 3d part of the game stays at 1024*768 and is stretched to fit a higher resolution. There have been a number of people saying this so I'm tending to believe its true now.

Well, the screenshots showing the dials and 2d interface changing size but the 3d window remaining the exact same resolution certainly make a compelling argument for that point - LOL!

[ryuzu]

Originally Posted by Gizzmoe

You can change the resolution to whatever your system supports.

Ahh yes you can. But from what I've read here and at the Ubi support site, that does not increase the resolution of the 3D engine - it just ups the resolution of the overlying 2D items (the depth guage for example).

This is presumably why the lack of FSAA is so apparent even at seemingly very high resolutions, and why people with distinctly average computers are able to crank the graphics settings to max and still get decent frame-rates....

r.

[Der Graf Von Rudklide]

Even if its "just" a improved version of SH3 is great work

Friday everybody will be happy and silent in the deeps

[AJ!]

Originally Posted by ryuzu

Ahh yes you can. But from what I've read here and at the Ubi support site, that does not increase the resolution of the 3D engine - it just ups the resolution of the overlying 2D items (the depth guage for example).

This is presumably why the lack of FSAA is so apparent even at seemingly very high resolutions, and why people with distinctly average computers are able to crank the graphics settings to max and still get decent frame-rates....

r.

Theres no doubt that il be happy with SH4 I have no problem with most of the current issues the game seems to have...... But this Rez sounds like quite a problem. The picture on My monitor looks rubbish with any rez below 1600x1200. Its standard is 1920x1200 so even 1600x1200 is pushing it. If the max for the 3d eye candy is going to be 1024x768 then i have a problem

[Gizzmoe]

Originally Posted by ryuzu

Ahh yes you can. But from what I've read here and at the Ubi support site, that does not increase the resolution of the 3D engine - it just ups the resolution of the overlying 2D items (the depth guage for example).

Dunno, for me SH4 at 1600x1200 looks better than at 1024x768 on my 21" CRT.

[ryuzu]

Originally Posted by Capt.LoneRanger

What about crewmembers? They apparently are rather silent at important times (e.g. flooding and impending death), and at other times, quote numbers over and over

I think the OP said that he/she did not have the game yet and were trying to determine whether it was better than SH3.

As for the crewmembers - personally I don't care that much about them graphically, but if they're there, they should behave reasonably well. From what I've read so far, they are subject to some graphic "anomalies".

Admittedly clicking is not much of an interaction. However if you want a simulation of submarine operations (or any ocean going vessel for that matter) then you should include a simulation of the crew interaction.

It appears that, rather than increasing this element, SH4 may have reduced it a little compared to SH3 (which wasn't all that great anyway).

Here is where the lack of improved crew interaction becomes apparent. It appears the crew in SH4 are less able than they were in SH3 (which was fairly poor). Additionally, it appears that some (important) instruments are not working (stadimeter for example, stop watch probs, radar and sonar may have issues, the AI can't fire the deck gun properly etc).

The problem with any sim like SH1/2/3/4 is that they really should model a full working crew and the players interaction with the crew, if they wish to be a simulation. However, sometimes the player wants to have the option of doing some of the work because they find it enjoyable/necessary/efficient.

No sims seem to have managed to strike an optimal balance between these two aspects. Dangerous Waters is probably the best in terms of auto-crewing, but there isn't any feeling of the crew being in that game since you can't see them...

I can't say whether it has improved - some people feel the missing damage representation in 2D is a step backwards from SH3.

However, the lack of sustained damage has been mentioned, so it may be that patches and/or mods may be required to see if the new damage system is really working.

Less than what? What other rooms were modelled in SH3 - did I miss anything?

I presume he's referring to the Captain's Cabin. Not a loss in gameplay terms from SH3 but some may feel a loss of immersion.

r.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Charlie901

I was really looking forward to this game but after hearing the initial reports I really skeptical now.


FOR INSTANCE:

It seems that the rez is still locked at 1024x768 no FSAA forcing...

Missing sounds or reused sounds from SHIII...

Less crew movement activity than SHIII...they don't move around at all...

Less crew interaction..you can't click on them...

Unable to click on stations and controls to use them...

Less informative damage control screen...

Less sub interiors...


And unfortunately the list seems to grow as more are getting the game.

It actually seems that this series is moving backward. Maybe the Devs just rehashed SHIII and were cut short by UBI for development time.

Now, before I run out and make a purchase here...please convinve me that this game is a worthy purchase and step forward in the series from SHIII with all the latest mods?

Why convince you? Either you want it or not. You'll have to decide on your own.

[AVGWarhawk]

No convincing for me...I went to EB Games and blunked down $52.00 and I will pick up tomorrow

[Capt.LoneRanger]

Originally Posted by lord bame

why not play a arcade game then?

Now thats a really adult, grown-up and very productive comment.

[malkuth74]

Originally Posted by Gizzmoe

Dunno, for me SH4 at 1600x1200 looks better than at 1024x768 on my 21" CRT.

Hey gizz are you sure? Because this is a dramatic change to what others have been saying. Maybe it is just a widescreen problem LCD thing?

[Snakeeyes]

Originally Posted by Capt.LoneRanger

Now thats a really adult, grown-up and very productive comment.

Hey Lone Ranger! Great looking flash at the bottom of your posts!!!!!!! That's what the game COULD look like with AA! Did you photoshop it smooth? THAT is what I was dreaming out!

[OneTinSoldier]

Originally Posted by malkuth74

Actually Stock FSX maxed looks better then anything Fs2004. The problem is nobody can play a maxed FSX when released, which caused people to use lower Playing options which then brought the FS2004+ to look better then FSX. :p

So true!

[novafluxx]

Originally Posted by lord bame

yeah that's a major letdown from SH3 i dont really understand why they skip it. there are fewer options in sh4,everything scaled down to 4-6buttons

That makes me think its made with xbox360 in mind... they have to dumb the UI and stuff down for the console kiddies. I haven't heard anything about that, but its a scary thought