SH4 Anti-piracy protection - like Starforce?

Gizzmoe · 03-19-07, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSatyr

Securrom is just as bad if not worse. Some people with Neverwinter Nights 2 did a test by running the game with Securrom and without it,(Which may actually have been illegal),and found that Securrom causes the game to run over 5 fps slower than it ran with Securrom removed.

It´s impossible to draw a conclusion out of this. If they had tested like 5 different Securom-protected games on at least two different PC´s and all showed the same symptoms, now that would mean something.

P_Funk · 03-19-07, 12:17 PM

If you think about it though for all the trouble and outcry and alleged wrong doings, both true and false, all this invasive or seemingly passive piracy prevention software is irrelavent.

I mean there isn't an anti-piracy system made that can't be hacked, and any idiot with google and the ability to string together a sentence can find the seedier side to the internet. Its so ineffective that you can get the game before its in stores. But for all that it doesn't do half the time you might even hurt sales for fear that some 14 year old puke will download it when he wasn't going to buy it anyway. I can remember alot of people telling me about a few games "I never played it cause it had starforce".

Starforce was a big lesson. I wonder where the future is. I don't think its bullet proof software.

EDIT. That said I am getting me SH4.

Immacolata · 03-19-07, 12:28 PM

I think the best "anti-piracy protection" is giving the game away for free :rotfl:

DiveMonkey · 03-19-07, 12:49 PM

I don't mind sucrom so much, I have it on Olegs IL2 46 and haven't had any problems

I had LOTS of problems with starforce

on SH3.

It was slow loading and made me flinch at the speed it ran my drive

More than once i actually moved away from my computer thinking it was about to explode!

I'm glade ubi moved away from starforce

But I don't think crying about sucrom is a very good idea, I've heard some people have had problems but most have found solutions at sucroms site.

I mean, they could always bring back Starforce 4.0

Spaxspore · 03-19-07, 12:56 PM

only time i had issues with s7 was with titan quest when it first came out. I bought it and for a love of me i kept gettin security module failed to intilized, i was not the only one, soon after THQ released a patch that removed s7 completely

TheSatyr · 03-19-07, 04:11 PM

They should all just go back to the CD-Key security system....it was about as succesful as anything else they tried.

Course now it's CD-Key and anti-pirating software combined with alot of games...and it still seems to be easy for people to crack the anti-pirating systems.

I really don't see starforce or securrom being much use other than to give the illusion that it's "pirate safe".

I have a cousin who does software security checks for the government,he has yet to come accross a system that can't be cracked given enough time.

He even once told me that all he needs is a person's address and phone number and he can gain access to that person's pc with very little trouble. (He actually used to do tech support that way in his old job. He'd just go into someone's pc and find and fix problems. Firewalls,ISP security systems...he could get past anything.). I should mention however that this guy is a freaking computer genius though. Good thing he's ethical about the things he does with his machine.

I think software protection is there just to keep low end hackers from pirating products...It's certainly not going to stop the better hackers from doing it.

Spaxspore · 03-19-07, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSatyr

They should all just go back to the CD-Key security system....it was about as succesful as anything else they tried.

Course now it's CD-Key and anti-pirating software combined with alot of games...and it still seems to be easy for people to crack the anti-pirating systems.

I really don't see starforce or securrom being much use other than to give the illusion that it's "pirate safe".

I have a cousin who does software security checks for the government,he has yet to come accross a system that can't be cracked given enough time.

He even once told me that all he needs is a person's address and phone number and he can gain access to that person's pc with very little trouble. (He actually used to do tech support that way in his old job. He'd just go into someone's pc and find and fix problems. Firewalls,ISP security systems...he could get past anything.). I should mention however that this guy is a freaking computer genius though. Good thing he's ethical about the things he does with his machine.

I think software protection is there just to keep low end hackers from pirating products...It's certainly not going to stop the better hackers from doing it.

all gaming devs and producers should follow star docks example. No cd check, just have to register to get patchs, and u can even dl the whole game as long as you have a s#

Dowly · 03-19-07, 04:21 PM

The gaming industry should just admit it, no matter what copy protection software they use, it will be cracked (from what I´ve observed, every new release has been cracked in max. 2 days. Even the ArmA´s own integrated FADE protection was cracked ,IIRC, just hours after the first patch release). The single player games have lost the battle against piracy loooooong time ago.

Like it has been said, they need to think of a way to attract people to buy the real thing. BUT, adding merchantise to come with the game, also raises up the prices.

03-20-07, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Immacolata

I think the best "anti-piracy protection" is giving the game away for free :rotfl:

Then you'll have pirates paying you to take there pirated copies :rotfl:

Immacolata · 03-20-07, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Rilder

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Originally Posted by Immacolata

I think the best "anti-piracy protection" is giving the game away for free :rotfl:

Then you'll have pirates paying you to take there pirated copies :rotfl:

So how do we get the best anti-piracy protection-protection? :rotfl:

Lt. Staumeier · 03-20-07, 07:31 AM

No matter what protection you use, you're gonna have the software pirated. There's no protection a pirate can't crack. At least not as of today. Often it's dead easy to crack down a game.

I have several games at home that I've cracked in order to get rid of the CD/DVD requirement. (Legally bought, though). It just annoys me to switch discs all the time. And, as a matter of fact, a few of them runs smoother and more stable when they have their copy-protection removed.

So what am I saying? That we should remove copy-protection? No, not really, since that would give even more pirated copies, but at least settle for a copy-protection that doesn't screw it up for the legit customer, like StarForce.

DiveMonkey · 03-20-07, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Lt. Staumeier

No matter what protection you use, you're gonna have the software pirated. There's no protection a pirate can't crack. At least not as of today. Often it's dead easy to crack down a game.

I have several games at home that I've cracked in order to get rid of the CD/DVD requirement. (Legally bought, though). It just annoys me to switch discs all the time. And, as a matter of fact, a few of them runs smoother and more stable when they have their copy-protection removed.

So what am I saying? That we should remove copy-protection? No, not really, since that would give even more pirated copies, but at least settle for a copy-protection that doesn't screw it up for the legit customer, like StarForce.

I think there's a source of revenue the gaming industries has ignored. Lets say you buy a game, it comes with a CD\DVD key, you imput your key and as long as you've got tthe disc in the ggame plays.

But how about an in-game option that takes you to the developers site where for a one time fee...say, $10.oo you get a crack exe. with your key #xxx in it that allows you to play without the CD\DVD. but wont work on anyone else's game

You would be assured a CLEAN trojan\virus free exe. guaranteed to work with all patches and updates from the developer, and all the time protecting your $40.oo\$60.oo dollar investment from getting beat too crap.

I'd gladly pay $10 bucks for that

03-19-07, 12:17 PM	#2
P_Funk Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 2,537 Downloads: 129 Uploads: 0	If you think about it though for all the trouble and outcry and alleged wrong doings, both true and false, all this invasive or seemingly passive piracy prevention software is irrelavent. I mean there isn't an anti-piracy system made that can't be hacked, and any idiot with google and the ability to string together a sentence can find the seedier side to the internet. Its so ineffective that you can get the game before its in stores. But for all that it doesn't do half the time you might even hurt sales for fear that some 14 year old puke will download it when he wasn't going to buy it anyway. I can remember alot of people telling me about a few games "I never played it cause it had starforce". Starforce was a big lesson. I wonder where the future is. I don't think its bullet proof software. EDIT. That said I am getting me SH4. __________________

03-19-07, 12:28 PM	#3
Immacolata Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 798 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	I think the best "anti-piracy protection" is giving the game away for free :rotfl: __________________ "The power of the executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgment of his peers, is in the highest degree odious, and the foundation of all totalitarian government whether Nazi or Communist." - W. Churchill

03-19-07, 12:56 PM	#5
Spaxspore Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 399 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	only time i had issues with s7 was with titan quest when it first came out. I bought it and for a love of me i kept gettin security module failed to intilized, i was not the only one, soon after THQ released a patch that removed s7 completely __________________ Behold, the Glory of the Sh4 engine..... Morning strole off Tokyo Bay...

03-20-07, 07:31 AM	#11
Lt. Staumeier Loader Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 85 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	No matter what protection you use, you're gonna have the software pirated. There's no protection a pirate can't crack. At least not as of today. Often it's dead easy to crack down a game. I have several games at home that I've cracked in order to get rid of the CD/DVD requirement. (Legally bought, though). It just annoys me to switch discs all the time. And, as a matter of fact, a few of them runs smoother and more stable when they have their copy-protection removed. So what am I saying? That we should remove copy-protection? No, not really, since that would give even more pirated copies, but at least settle for a copy-protection that doesn't screw it up for the legit customer, like StarForce. __________________ "Shoot at everything that moves. If it doesn't move, shoot it anyway, it might move later."

03-19-07, 12:49 PM	#4
DiveMonkey Torpedoman Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 111 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I don't mind sucrom so much, I have it on Olegs IL2 46 and haven't had any problems I had LOTS of problems with starforce on SH3. It was slow loading and made me flinch at the speed it ran my drive More than once i actually moved away from my computer thinking it was about to explode! I'm glade ubi moved away from starforce But I don't think crying about sucrom is a very good idea, I've heard some people have had problems but most have found solutions at sucroms site. I mean, they could always bring back Starforce 4.0

03-19-07, 04:11 PM	#6
TheSatyr Captain Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 545 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	They should all just go back to the CD-Key security system....it was about as succesful as anything else they tried. Course now it's CD-Key and anti-pirating software combined with alot of games...and it still seems to be easy for people to crack the anti-pirating systems. I really don't see starforce or securrom being much use other than to give the illusion that it's "pirate safe". I have a cousin who does software security checks for the government,he has yet to come accross a system that can't be cracked given enough time. He even once told me that all he needs is a person's address and phone number and he can gain access to that person's pc with very little trouble. (He actually used to do tech support that way in his old job. He'd just go into someone's pc and find and fix problems. Firewalls,ISP security systems...he could get past anything.). I should mention however that this guy is a freaking computer genius though. Good thing he's ethical about the things he does with his machine. I think software protection is there just to keep low end hackers from pirating products...It's certainly not going to stop the better hackers from doing it.

03-19-07, 04:21 PM	#8
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,054 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	The gaming industry should just admit it, no matter what copy protection software they use, it will be cracked (from what I´ve observed, every new release has been cracked in max. 2 days. Even the ArmA´s own integrated FADE protection was cracked ,IIRC, just hours after the first patch release). The single player games have lost the battle against piracy loooooong time ago. Like it has been said, they need to think of a way to attract people to buy the real thing. BUT, adding merchantise to come with the game, also raises up the prices.