Subsim's Silent Hunter 4 review

RocketDog · 03-19-07, 08:59 AM

To be honest, what I would like to know most is if you have been able to force FSAA. If such a basic modern requirement isn't supported then the sim is fundamentally broken and, at least IMHO, not worth buying.

In some gloom,

RD.

Cigol · 03-19-07, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by RocketDog

To be honest, what I would like to know most is if you have been able to force FSAA. If such a basic modern requirement isn't supported then the sim is fundamentally broken and, at least IMHO, not worth buying.

In some gloom,

RD.

A lot of games don't support AA and there generally technical reasons for this which prevent it

I'm not sure what kind of monitors you lot are running this on, and I don't want to drag the thread offtopic, but anti-aliasing is not a big deal at all with the resolution cranked up on a decent monitor.

Anyway I await the review with baited breath. First impressions from reading comments is not particularly good. I'm personally a fan of all the bells and whistles graphically (as I have a computer that can run it) but cest la vie.

Spray · 03-19-07, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by RocketDog

To be honest, what I would like to know most is if you have been able to force FSAA. If such a basic modern requirement isn't supported then the sim is fundamentally broken and, at least IMHO, not worth buying.

In some gloom,

RD.

A lot of games don't support AA and there generally technical reasons for this which prevent it

I'm not sure what kind of monitors you lot are running this on, and I don't want to drag the thread offtopic, but anti-aliasing is not a big deal at all with the resolution cranked up on a decent monitor.

Anyway I await the review with baited breath. First impressions from reading comments is not particularly good. I'm personally a fan of all the bells and whistles graphically (as I have a computer that can run it) but cest la vie.

I'd go in the counter most games do support AA at least most games released in the past 2-3 years. Even the Sims 2 has AA come on people the SIMS 2!!! However it doesn't bother me ive lived with SH3 gfx SH4 will be an improvement hopefully one that i'll like.

Capt.LoneRanger · 03-19-07, 10:15 AM

AA is not depending on the game, it is depending on the GFX-card. If the game uses Post-Effects, pre 8xxx nVidias are not capable of doing rendering these effects and AA at the same time.

The only software/gameside-thing to change this, is to disable the post-effects, which would lower the overall graphical experience. Your choice, but it cannot be "forced" in a game, nor is it "supported" by a game. There are merely games, where you can set FSAA or AF from ingame, to make that option more easily accessable.

nhall70 · 03-19-07, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Cigol

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Originally Posted by RocketDog

To be honest, what I would like to know most is if you have been able to force FSAA. If such a basic modern requirement isn't supported then the sim is fundamentally broken and, at least IMHO, not worth buying.

In some gloom,

RD.

A lot of games don't support AA and there generally technical reasons for this which prevent it

I'm not sure what kind of monitors you lot are running this on, and I don't want to drag the thread offtopic, but anti-aliasing is not a big deal at all with the resolution cranked up on a decent monitor.

Anyway I await the review with baited breath. First impressions from reading comments is not particularly good. I'm personally a fan of all the bells and whistles graphically (as I have a computer that can run it) but cest la vie.

I'd go in the counter most games do support AA at least most games released in the past 2-3 years. Even the Sims 2 has AA come on people the SIMS 2!!! However it doesn't bother me ive lived with SH3 gfx SH4 will be an improvement hopefully one that i'll like.

Yes, virtually all current games support AA...it's a common, basic, fundamental thing these days. Ubisoft is just about the only game publisher on earth that doesn't understand this.

Hell, even SH3 supported AA, but not SH4. If that's not a step backwards, I don't know what is!

hyperion2206 · 03-19-07, 10:56 AM

May I ask you AA fetishists one question?! Why do you guys have to turn every single thread regardless of its original topic into a debate if SH4 supports AA? That really sucks!

Immacolata · 03-19-07, 11:02 AM

8000m visibility? I want to know. Do we still have myopic skippers that cant look further than down their own nosetip?

RocketDog · 03-19-07, 11:13 AM

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May I ask you AA fetishists one question?! Why do you guys have to turn every single thread regardless of its original topic into a debate if SH4 supports AA? That really sucks!

Because it's a fundamental requirement for visual fidelity in a modern simulation. If it supports FSAA, I will buy it. If it doesn't, I may save my money. What I don't want to do is buy it and find I can't force FSAA.

For info, I have the following sims on my PC at home:

IL-2 in all its incarnations
SH3
Lock On and Lock On Flaming Cliffs
FS2004 and various Wings of Power add-ons
Condor
BOB WOVII

All of these support FSAA and are better for it. I have no idea why the SH4 devs decided to cripple their game on release.

RD.

Gizzmoe · 03-19-07, 11:21 AM

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Because it's a fundamental requirement for visual fidelity in a modern simulation.

But this thread is not about anti-aliasing, it´s about the upcoming review of SH4, yet there are several posts of people complaining about the lack of AA!

geetrue · 03-19-07, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RocketDog

To be honest, what I would like to know most is if you have been able to force FSAA. If such a basic modern requirement isn't supported then the sim is fundamentally broken and, at least IMHO, not worth buying.

In some gloom,

RD.

My grandfather taught me to never say, "To be honest with you", because it really means that some times your not ...

hope that helps someone, but Cigol has the best answer I've seen yet on AA ...

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Originally Posted by Cigol

A lot of games don't support AA and there generally technical reasons for this which prevent it

I'm not sure what kind of monitors you lot are running this on, and I don't want to drag the thread offtopic, but anti-aliasing is not a big deal at all with the resolution cranked up on a decent monitor.

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RocketDog Mate Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 55 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	To be honest, what I would like to know most is if you have been able to force FSAA. If such a basic modern requirement isn't supported then the sim is fundamentally broken and, at least IMHO, not worth buying. In some gloom, RD. __________________

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Capt.LoneRanger Bosun Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 65 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	AA is not depending on the game, it is depending on the GFX-card. If the game uses Post-Effects, pre 8xxx nVidias are not capable of doing rendering these effects and AA at the same time. The only software/gameside-thing to change this, is to disable the post-effects, which would lower the overall graphical experience. Your choice, but it cannot be "forced" in a game, nor is it "supported" by a game. There are merely games, where you can set FSAA or AF from ingame, to make that option more easily accessable. __________________ Greets, Capt.LoneRanger

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hyperion2206 Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Cologne, Germany Posts: 1,227 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	May I ask you AA fetishists one question?! Why do you guys have to turn every single thread regardless of its original topic into a debate if SH4 supports AA? That really sucks! __________________ Career of Captain Jack Shaftoe:

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Immacolata Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 798 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	8000m visibility? I want to know. Do we still have myopic skippers that cant look further than down their own nosetip? __________________ "The power of the executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgment of his peers, is in the highest degree odious, and the foundation of all totalitarian government whether Nazi or Communist." - W. Churchill