Life should mean life

fatty · 03-18-07, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ASWnut101

Removing Captial Punishment? That's a mistake waiting to happen.

The UK hasn't had capital punishment since 1965; this article is about jail term length/permanency.

kiwi_2005 · 03-18-07, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by fatty

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Originally Posted by ASWnut101

Removing Captial Punishment? That's a mistake waiting to happen.

The UK hasn't had capital punishment since 1965; this article is about jail term length/permanency.

Our last hanging was in 1954, before capital punishment was outlawed. These ppl that commit really vicous murders/rapes should be sentence for the rest of their lives, not 15yrs and getout in 10.

Letum · 03-18-07, 11:02 PM

It really isn't as simple as the popular motto's "life should mean ife" etc.

Part of the reason the "life should mean life" motto came about was because of confusion over the difference between a "life sentence" and a "life tariff" in the UK.
In the UK a "life sentence" refers to any single sentence over 15 years. If all "life sentences" lasted until death than people who only received medium length sentences would stay in for far too long.
A life tariff, on the other hand, means life.

Perhaps the best solution would be to rename the sentences in the UK to avoid confusion.

The second problem with long sentences is that recherche suggests that sentences over 30 years have almost as much effect deterrent effect as those over 30 years. In the UK sentences are imposed to A) keep the public safe and B) act as a deterrent. i.e they are never used for revenge. As a result it is normally the case that convicts that are considered safe will be released before they die after they have served an appropriate deterrent sentence.

Captain Nemo · 03-19-07, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Letum

The second problem with long sentences is that recherche suggests that sentences over 30 years have almost as much effect deterrent effect as those over 30 years. In the UK sentences are imposed to A) keep the public safe and B) act as a deterrent. i.e they are never used for revenge. As a result it is normally the case that convicts that are considered safe will be released before they die after they have served an appropriate deterrent sentence.

What happened to justice in all this?

Nemo

Letum · 03-19-07, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Nemo

What happened to justice in all this?

Nemo

"Justice" could be called the moral dimension to crime and punishment. As a moral entity it is subjective at best. It means different things to different people.

For many people justice come from a conflicting mix of desire for revenge and empathy. I do not thing anything good can ever come from the, base, reaction of revenge.

For me, personally, justice does not mean revenge and I don't think justice should be some kind of tit-for-tat, state enforced karma. I view justice as a utilitarian tool that should be used to do what ever is best for every ones welfare. I believe the most just action is the action that is likely to be best for every ones welfare.

CptSimFreak · 03-18-07, 11:03 PM

Russia had it right; I say send them to gulags; make them work.

Letum · 03-18-07, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CptSimFreak

Russia had it right; I say send them to gulags; make them work.

These days there isn't much call for mass unskilled hard labor in the UK. We do set criminals to work with individual "community service" tho and it appears to work well.

SUBMAN1 · 03-18-07, 11:34 PM

Wow. I'm tempted to get sucked into this conversation, but I am doing good about staying out of it. I have a bit more conservative view on the subject.

-S

Letum · 03-18-07, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Wow. I'm tempted to get sucked into this conversation, but I am doing good about staying out of it. I have a bit more conservative view on the subject.

-S

Burn "them" at the stake if they look a bit fishy?

Nha, seriously, come jump in the thread! The water is lovely!

STEED · 03-19-07, 06:35 AM

The thing that gets my goat is when they sentence someone to life all this means 10 years minimum stop farting around and making look like justice works here, it dose not. Just say they got 10 years and stop pulling the wool over everyones eyes.

SUBMAN1 · 03-19-07, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Letum

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Wow. I'm tempted to get sucked into this conversation, but I am doing good about staying out of it. I have a bit more conservative view on the subject.

-S

Burn "them" at the stake if they look a bit fishy?

Nha, seriously, come jump in the thread! The water is lovely!

AAAaahhh!! I will resist! I will resissst!!

-S

03-18-07, 11:02 PM	#3
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	It really isn't as simple as the popular motto's "life should mean ife" etc. Part of the reason the "life should mean life" motto came about was because of confusion over the difference between a "life sentence" and a "life tariff" in the UK. In the UK a "life sentence" refers to any single sentence over 15 years. If all "life sentences" lasted until death than people who only received medium length sentences would stay in for far too long. A life tariff, on the other hand, means life. Perhaps the best solution would be to rename the sentences in the UK to avoid confusion. The second problem with long sentences is that recherche suggests that sentences over 30 years have almost as much effect deterrent effect as those over 30 years. In the UK sentences are imposed to A) keep the public safe and B) act as a deterrent. i.e they are never used for revenge. As a result it is normally the case that convicts that are considered safe will be released before they die after they have served an appropriate deterrent sentence. __________________

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SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Wow. I'm tempted to get sucked into this conversation, but I am doing good about staying out of it. I have a bit more conservative view on the subject. -S __________________

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STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	The thing that gets my goat is when they sentence someone to life all this means 10 years minimum stop farting around and making look like justice works here, it dose not. Just say they got 10 years and stop pulling the wool over everyones eyes. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

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CptSimFreak Frogman Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 291 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Russia had it right; I say send them to gulags; make them work.