Germany Plans Moon Mission -- Without European Help

Happy Times · 03-13-07, 09:14 AM

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...471159,00.html

SUBMAN1 · 03-13-07, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Times

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...471159,00.html

Did I read that right? They think they can put a man up there foe $658 Million? That is funny! Last cost I saw was $1 Billion for a single Space Shuttle Launch, and that is with an already developed vehicle!

-S

Happy Times · 03-13-07, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Times

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...471159,00.html

Did I read that right? They think they can put a man up there foe $658 Million? That is funny! Last cost I saw was $1 Billion for a single Space Shuttle Launch, and that is with an already developed vehicle!

-S

No you didnt, it said unmanned.

SUBMAN1 · 03-13-07, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Times

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

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Originally Posted by Happy Times

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...471159,00.html

Did I read that right? They think they can put a man up there foe $658 Million? That is funny! Last cost I saw was $1 Billion for a single Space Shuttle Launch, and that is with an already developed vehicle!

-S

No you didnt, it said unmanned.

Figured. ANyway, they should be able to get a fairly cheap unmanned mission there for that cost - since that is still going on the cheap cheap side. It will be interesting to watch this program develop. I feel our own Moon shot and Mars shot in the future has only got half our hearts as a Nation. Nothing like throwing a little competition in there to help spice things up a bit!

-S

TteFAboB · 03-13-07, 10:08 AM

How many light bulbs do we have to change to compensate for all this pollution and energy consumption?

Skybird · 03-13-07, 10:18 AM

Now this was new news for me, too. I even seem to have jumped the headline when skimming the Spiegel site, what I do almost daily. Freud in action...?

On the mission, well, why not. The knowhow and technical competence certainly is there, and Germany is home of some of the most modern space- and military command centres in the world. the question is not if it could be done by Germany alone, that is a certain yes, the question is if there is enough will to do it.

I have been optimistic about Airbus in the past, too, but the mismanagement tackling the A380 (that normally should have been a huge success story and had everything needed to bring Boeing into deep trouble), and the national rifts between France and Germany made the one big vulnerability of the Airbus consortium obvious for everybody: the wide spreading of production facilities, the costs this anti-economical structure is causing, and the many political considerations that hampers economic reason. The airbus-crisis is self-made, and goes back to the founding of the consortium. I for one am no longer that eager to cooperate with the French in anything of that scale, too. we better do it all by ourselves. I was not aware how uncompromised the French are determined to see the aeronautic industry as a technological key variable for France's future, degrading even most essential partners to junior-partners and deputies for France's interests only. Compared to them, the German government handled airbus so naive that you want to shed tears over their good-heartiness. For the moment it is more jobs being lost in France than in Germany, but the French government already has launched a new offensive to increase their influence at Airbus even more.

Too many cooks spoil the broth. The freighter version of the A already fell victim to this simple truth. It would be a shame to let Germany's first moon mission follow that example.

Skybird · 03-13-07, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by TteFAboB

How many light bulbs do we have to change to compensate for all this pollution and energy consumption?

We could compensate by switching off the moon. Or ask the man in the moon for an answer once we got there.

ASWnut101 · 03-13-07, 11:58 AM

Won't he just give you cheese?

STEED · 03-13-07, 12:42 PM

Blast off for the fourth reich.

Scrap That.

Blast off cancelled by order of the EU. Reason environmental and noise pollution.

Mush Martin · 03-13-07, 05:38 PM

Not necesarily with the germans but it sure gets you thinking about
terran domination by lunar achievment.

Boris · 03-13-07, 08:52 PM

Well it's about time the Germans did it, seeing as they invented the whole rocket thing.

August · 03-13-07, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TteFAboB

How many light bulbs do we have to change to compensate for all this pollution and energy consumption?

It'd be nice to see all those pollution generating, energy consuming industries relocated to somewhere like the moon someday, where they can make cool stuff without us paying the environmental costs here where we live.

Dan D · 03-14-07, 07:16 AM

EU suggests speed limit for German autobahns because of that “global warming” thing
http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/interna...=1173629258000

Highway Speed Limit Plan Irks Germans
http://www.topix.net/content/ap/3275...82131849012550

This means war, mates!

Space Krauts are going to the moon and to worlds beyond.
Full throttle, afterburner; smell the exhaust fumes, hippies!
Free driving for free Germans! Space Autobahns and rockets for all!
+++
“Soon I discovered that this “rocket” thing was true
Jerry lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden, I found myself in love with the “Universe”
So there was only one thing that I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang a long ling long
Jesus built my “rocket”. It is a love affair.
Mainly Jesus and my “rocket”.
(Ministry-“Jesus built my Hotrod”)
+++
The rocket equation for Dummies:
http://ed-thelen.org/rocket-eq.html

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,644 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Now this was new news for me, too. I even seem to have jumped the headline when skimming the Spiegel site, what I do almost daily. Freud in action...? On the mission, well, why not. The knowhow and technical competence certainly is there, and Germany is home of some of the most modern space- and military command centres in the world. the question is not if it could be done by Germany alone, that is a certain yes, the question is if there is enough will to do it. I have been optimistic about Airbus in the past, too, but the mismanagement tackling the A380 (that normally should have been a huge success story and had everything needed to bring Boeing into deep trouble), and the national rifts between France and Germany made the one big vulnerability of the Airbus consortium obvious for everybody: the wide spreading of production facilities, the costs this anti-economical structure is causing, and the many political considerations that hampers economic reason. The airbus-crisis is self-made, and goes back to the founding of the consortium. I for one am no longer that eager to cooperate with the French in anything of that scale, too. we better do it all by ourselves. I was not aware how uncompromised the French are determined to see the aeronautic industry as a technological key variable for France's future, degrading even most essential partners to junior-partners and deputies for France's interests only. Compared to them, the German government handled airbus so naive that you want to shed tears over their good-heartiness. For the moment it is more jobs being lost in France than in Germany, but the French government already has launched a new offensive to increase their influence at Airbus even more. Too many cooks spoil the broth. The freighter version of the A already fell victim to this simple truth. It would be a shame to let Germany's first moon mission follow that example. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Blast off for the fourth reich. Scrap That. Blast off cancelled by order of the EU. Reason environmental and noise pollution. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

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Mush Martin Eternal Patrol Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,398 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Not necesarily with the germans but it sure gets you thinking about terran domination by lunar achievment. __________________ RIP Mush Tutorial

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Boris Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 1,691 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	Well it's about time the Germans did it, seeing as they invented the whole rocket thing.

03-14-07, 07:16 AM	#13
Dan D Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: 9th Flotilla Posts: 839 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	EU suggests speed limit for German autobahns because of that “global warming” thing http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/interna...=1173629258000 Highway Speed Limit Plan Irks Germans http://www.topix.net/content/ap/3275...82131849012550 This means war, mates! Space Krauts are going to the moon and to worlds beyond. Full throttle, afterburner; smell the exhaust fumes, hippies! Free driving for free Germans! Space Autobahns and rockets for all! +++ “Soon I discovered that this “rocket” thing was true Jerry lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden, I found myself in love with the “Universe” So there was only one thing that I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang a long ling long Jesus built my “rocket”. It is a love affair. Mainly Jesus and my “rocket”. (Ministry-“Jesus built my Hotrod”) +++ The rocket equation for Dummies: http://ed-thelen.org/rocket-eq.html