Why I Love my VII (or, Take That IX Crowd!) - Page 2

ReallyDedPoet · 03-10-07, 05:41 PM

Yeah VIIC for me, nice stats on the IX though. Can't say the same for my sig.

Eagle Eye · 03-10-07, 06:56 PM

I love both boats!!! I must be some sort of FREAK!!!

It's easier to get away in a VII but I've made many successful raids on convoys in my IXB and IXC.

Mush Martin · 03-10-07, 06:58 PM

:hmm:

Mush Martin · 03-10-07, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

IXA: 8 cmissioned
IXB: 14 comissioned:
IXC: 54 comissioned
IXC/40: 87 comissioned
IXD: 30 comissioned

Thats, 193 type 9 uboats.

verses:
VIIA: 10 comissioned
VIIB: 24 comissioned
VIIC: 568 comissioned
VIIC/41: 91 comissoned

Thats 693 type 7 uboats.

Now if one were to look at the top scoring uboats:
http://uboat.net/ops/successful_boats.htm

13 out of 20 are type 9's. Thats over half of the top earners.

If one were to look at the top scoring patrols:
http://uboat.net/ops/top_patrols.htm
Only 3 out of 20 uboats were type7's, the rest are type 9's.

From this, coupled with the fact that type 9's did attack convoy's just like type 7's, and that as a class they achieved these tallies with FEWER ships of their type, says something about their overall effectiveness as a class.

Duce

ReallyDedPoet · 03-10-07, 10:04 PM

http://www.uboataces.com/uboat-type-vii.shtml

Some more interesting stuff

Still going with the VIIC

Captain Norman · 03-10-07, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatty

Strategy, strategy, strategy. You must constantly be concerned about logistics; fuel consumption, speed, distance from base, etc.
This baby is slim and turns on a dime.
Real men do it in convoys!
Limited torpedos means you must really make your shots count. You also have to think carefully about which ships to shoot at.
It's the sexiest-looking of all the u-boats.
Less fuel means shorter patrols so we can be home in time for tea

Praise it brother!

JScones · 03-10-07, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stabiz

:rotfl:OF COURSE the 9`s will be in the Top Patrols-lists! They carry double the torpedo amount, not much mystery in that. But if a VII takes two patrols in that time, and sinks half the tonnage in each, it would come out bad on that list, which yet again shows that numbers can be used to show whatever you want.

Yes, people can come up with statistics to prove anything. 97% of all people know that.

ReallyDedPoet · 03-10-07, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mush Martin

:hmm:

Keep " Barry Bonds " out of this:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Mush Martin · 03-10-07, 10:45 PM

Sharkbait that is the funniest thing you have ever said.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

ReallyDedPoet · 03-10-07, 11:35 PM

U-453 & U-507, the two sharing the same stage.

Ducimus · 03-10-07, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JScones

Quote:

Originally Posted by stabiz

:rotfl:OF COURSE the 9`s will be in the Top Patrols-lists! They carry double the torpedo amount, not much mystery in that. But if a VII takes two patrols in that time, and sinks half the tonnage in each, it would come out bad on that list, which yet again shows that numbers can be used to show whatever you want.

Yes, people can come up with statistics to prove anything. 97% of all people know that.

That usually goes for both sides of any argument. I usually won't pull out statistics unless someone else does it first.

Mush Martin · 03-10-07, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JScones

Quote:

Originally Posted by stabiz

:rotfl:OF COURSE the 9`s will be in the Top Patrols-lists! They carry double the torpedo amount, not much mystery in that. But if a VII takes two patrols in that time, and sinks half the tonnage in each, it would come out bad on that list, which yet again shows that numbers can be used to show whatever you want.

Yes, people can come up with statistics to prove anything. 97% of all people know that.

Well I will concede that much whats the saying.

There are Lies, There are Damn Lies and theres Statistics.

IRONxMortlock · 03-11-07, 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatty

Strategy, strategy, strategy. You must constantly be concerned about logistics; fuel consumption, speed, distance from base, etc.
This baby is slim and turns on a dime.
Real men do it in convoys!
Limited torpedos means you must really make your shots count. You also have to think carefully about which ships to shoot at.
It's the sexiest-looking of all the u-boats.
Less fuel means shorter patrols so we can be home in time for tea

If this is criteria you base it on then without a doubt, the Type IIs must take first place.

You can park a mini in more places than a double decker bus!

________
latin girl Cams

MarkQuinn · 03-11-07, 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I don't really follow...Why is this a big benefit? If you're in a position where you need to be turning on a dime, something has gone wrong somewhere.

Nobody here can say something hasn't gone wrong at some point, or that something will never go wrong. So the additional maneuverability is a plus ... just in case you need it.

g8rk0k · 03-11-07, 01:34 PM

Type VII is much harder for the enemy to detect, to visibly spot or to ping with sonar. I have managed to crash dive when spotting a destroyer who has yet to detect me and quietly move out of his path without him ever knowing I was there. With a type IX I almost always have to play cat and mouse with him for an hour.

Plus it turns faster and it's easier to keep enemies aft of your boat and you don't have to worry about them constantly relocating you with sonar while you wallow about in a big clumsy boat.

Dives faster too.

Not worried about the torpedo load out as I can just go grab more and my boat is usually ready to go sooner anyway so even though your kills are spread upon seperate patrols your can still keep up with a type IX on a total kill basis, and you don't waste precious time traveling thousands of kilometers where there are plently of ships within a type VII's range to be found.

03-10-07, 05:41 PM	#16
ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada. The one and only, East Coast Posts: 10,886 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	Yeah VIIC for me, nice stats on the IX though. Can't say the same for my sig. __________________ Back in the Day

03-10-07, 06:58 PM	#18
Mush Martin Eternal Patrol Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,398 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Size Matters. :hmm: __________________ RIP Mush Tutorial

03-10-07, 10:04 PM	#20
ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada. The one and only, East Coast Posts: 10,886 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	http://www.uboataces.com/uboat-type-vii.shtml Some more interesting stuff Still going with the VIIC __________________ Back in the Day

03-10-07, 10:45 PM	#24
Mush Martin Eternal Patrol Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,398 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Sharkbait that is the funniest thing you have ever said. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: __________________ RIP Mush Tutorial

03-10-07, 11:35 PM	#25
ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada. The one and only, East Coast Posts: 10,886 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	U-453 & U-507, the two sharing the same stage. __________________ Back in the Day Last edited by ReallyDedPoet; 03-11-07 at 07:18 AM.

03-10-07, 06:56 PM	#17
Eagle Eye Bosun Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 63 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I love both boats!!! I must be some sort of FREAK!!! It's easier to get away in a VII but I've made many successful raids on convoys in my IXB and IXC.

03-11-07, 01:34 PM	#30
g8rk0k Watch Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 21 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Type VII is much harder for the enemy to detect, to visibly spot or to ping with sonar. I have managed to crash dive when spotting a destroyer who has yet to detect me and quietly move out of his path without him ever knowing I was there. With a type IX I almost always have to play cat and mouse with him for an hour. Plus it turns faster and it's easier to keep enemies aft of your boat and you don't have to worry about them constantly relocating you with sonar while you wallow about in a big clumsy boat. Dives faster too. Not worried about the torpedo load out as I can just go grab more and my boat is usually ready to go sooner anyway so even though your kills are spread upon seperate patrols your can still keep up with a type IX on a total kill basis, and you don't waste precious time traveling thousands of kilometers where there are plently of ships within a type VII's range to be found.