Why I Love my VII (or, Take That IX Crowd!)

CruiseTorpedo · 03-10-07, 04:10 PM

Weren't there also 7 or 8 times the number of type 7s built vs type 9? They were just different boats built for different fights. The 7 was smaller, easier to make, harder to see in a convoy so better for use in the north atlantic! The 9 can also go against convoys but typically from my readings they were more often the ones to go on long haul adventures where the 7s couldn't reach to hit the enemy in unprotected areas. Taking their time about it (because of the long trips they had to make) but still doing damage to the enemy. Why debate over it like one is better than the other?

Ducimus · 03-10-07, 04:23 PM

IXA: 8 cmissioned
IXB: 14 comissioned:
IXC: 54 comissioned
IXC/40: 87 comissioned
IXD: 30 comissioned

Thats, 193 type 9 uboats.

verses:
VIIA: 10 comissioned
VIIB: 24 comissioned
VIIC: 568 comissioned
VIIC/41: 91 comissoned

Thats 693 type 7 uboats.

Now if one were to look at the top scoring uboats:
http://uboat.net/ops/successful_boats.htm

13 out of 20 are type 9's. Thats over half of the top earners.

If one were to look at the top scoring patrols:
http://uboat.net/ops/top_patrols.htm
Only 3 out of 20 uboats were type7's, the rest are type 9's.

From this, coupled with the fact that type 9's did attack convoy's just like type 7's, and that as a class they achieved these tallies with FEWER ships of their type, says something about their overall effectiveness as a class.

STEED · 03-10-07, 04:25 PM

So there you have it.

Morts · 03-10-07, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by STEED

So there you have it.

yup
VII Rocks

so does the IX

stabiz · 03-10-07, 05:38 PM

:rotfl:OF COURSE the 9`s will be in the Top Patrols-lists! They carry double the torpedo amount, not much mystery in that. But if a VII takes two patrols in that time, and sinks half the tonnage in each, it would come out bad on that list, which yet again shows that numbers can be used to show whatever you want.

ReallyDedPoet · 03-10-07, 05:41 PM

Yeah VIIC for me, nice stats on the IX though. Can't say the same for my sig.

Eagle Eye · 03-10-07, 06:56 PM

I love both boats!!! I must be some sort of FREAK!!!

It's easier to get away in a VII but I've made many successful raids on convoys in my IXB and IXC.

JScones · 03-10-07, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by stabiz

:rotfl:OF COURSE the 9`s will be in the Top Patrols-lists! They carry double the torpedo amount, not much mystery in that. But if a VII takes two patrols in that time, and sinks half the tonnage in each, it would come out bad on that list, which yet again shows that numbers can be used to show whatever you want.

Yes, people can come up with statistics to prove anything. 97% of all people know that.

Ducimus · 03-10-07, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JScones

Quote:

Originally Posted by stabiz

:rotfl:OF COURSE the 9`s will be in the Top Patrols-lists! They carry double the torpedo amount, not much mystery in that. But if a VII takes two patrols in that time, and sinks half the tonnage in each, it would come out bad on that list, which yet again shows that numbers can be used to show whatever you want.

Yes, people can come up with statistics to prove anything. 97% of all people know that.

That usually goes for both sides of any argument. I usually won't pull out statistics unless someone else does it first.

Mush Martin · 03-10-07, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JScones

Quote:

Originally Posted by stabiz

:rotfl:OF COURSE the 9`s will be in the Top Patrols-lists! They carry double the torpedo amount, not much mystery in that. But if a VII takes two patrols in that time, and sinks half the tonnage in each, it would come out bad on that list, which yet again shows that numbers can be used to show whatever you want.

Yes, people can come up with statistics to prove anything. 97% of all people know that.

Well I will concede that much whats the saying.

There are Lies, There are Damn Lies and theres Statistics.

Mush Martin · 03-10-07, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

IXA: 8 cmissioned
IXB: 14 comissioned:
IXC: 54 comissioned
IXC/40: 87 comissioned
IXD: 30 comissioned

Thats, 193 type 9 uboats.

verses:
VIIA: 10 comissioned
VIIB: 24 comissioned
VIIC: 568 comissioned
VIIC/41: 91 comissoned

Thats 693 type 7 uboats.

Now if one were to look at the top scoring uboats:
http://uboat.net/ops/successful_boats.htm

13 out of 20 are type 9's. Thats over half of the top earners.

If one were to look at the top scoring patrols:
http://uboat.net/ops/top_patrols.htm
Only 3 out of 20 uboats were type7's, the rest are type 9's.

From this, coupled with the fact that type 9's did attack convoy's just like type 7's, and that as a class they achieved these tallies with FEWER ships of their type, says something about their overall effectiveness as a class.

Duce

ReallyDedPoet · 03-10-07, 10:04 PM

http://www.uboataces.com/uboat-type-vii.shtml

Some more interesting stuff

Still going with the VIIC

03-10-07, 04:25 PM	#3
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	So there you have it. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

03-10-07, 05:38 PM	#5
stabiz Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 4,224 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	:rotfl:OF COURSE the 9`s will be in the Top Patrols-lists! They carry double the torpedo amount, not much mystery in that. But if a VII takes two patrols in that time, and sinks half the tonnage in each, it would come out bad on that list, which yet again shows that numbers can be used to show whatever you want. __________________

03-10-07, 05:41 PM	#6
ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada. The one and only, East Coast Posts: 10,886 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	Yeah VIIC for me, nice stats on the IX though. Can't say the same for my sig. __________________ Back in the Day

03-10-07, 10:04 PM	#12
ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada. The one and only, East Coast Posts: 10,886 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	http://www.uboataces.com/uboat-type-vii.shtml Some more interesting stuff Still going with the VIIC __________________ Back in the Day

03-10-07, 04:10 PM	#1
CruiseTorpedo Torpedoman Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 112 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Weren't there also 7 or 8 times the number of type 7s built vs type 9? They were just different boats built for different fights. The 7 was smaller, easier to make, harder to see in a convoy so better for use in the north atlantic! The 9 can also go against convoys but typically from my readings they were more often the ones to go on long haul adventures where the 7s couldn't reach to hit the enemy in unprotected areas. Taking their time about it (because of the long trips they had to make) but still doing damage to the enemy. Why debate over it like one is better than the other?

03-10-07, 04:23 PM	#2
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	IXA: 8 cmissioned IXB: 14 comissioned: IXC: 54 comissioned IXC/40: 87 comissioned IXD: 30 comissioned Thats, 193 type 9 uboats. verses: VIIA: 10 comissioned VIIB: 24 comissioned VIIC: 568 comissioned VIIC/41: 91 comissoned Thats 693 type 7 uboats. Now if one were to look at the top scoring uboats: http://uboat.net/ops/successful_boats.htm 13 out of 20 are type 9's. Thats over half of the top earners. If one were to look at the top scoring patrols: http://uboat.net/ops/top_patrols.htm Only 3 out of 20 uboats were type7's, the rest are type 9's. From this, coupled with the fact that type 9's did attack convoy's just like type 7's, and that as a class they achieved these tallies with FEWER ships of their type, says something about their overall effectiveness as a class.

03-10-07, 06:56 PM	#7
Eagle Eye Bosun Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 63 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I love both boats!!! I must be some sort of FREAK!!! It's easier to get away in a VII but I've made many successful raids on convoys in my IXB and IXC.