Court Strikes Down D.C. Handgun Ban

Originally Posted by stabiz

That is some warped logic right there.

Lets continue your thinking a bit. Lets say every human on the planet had a gun. Nobody would fire at each other then? lol

I think you are misinterpreting. Those who have evil in their hearts and want to do ill to others will think twice before attacking, with any weapon, those whom the 'evil doers', think will can defend themselves. Please do not mistake opinion for foolishness. I know that it will not end violence. Violence existed long before firearms. Let people defend themselves in the face of the violence you are concerned about.

[fatty]

Originally Posted by stabiz

That is some warped logic right there.

Lets continue your thinking a bit. Lets say every human on the planet had a gun. Nobody would fire at each other then? lol

Precisely. I've boughten into this argument before but then thought of circumstances where everyone had access to firearms. IMHO this becomes problematic very quickly.


These seem like decent guys. Okay, they can keep their guns.


Umm not sure about that machine gun, but sure, I'll buy it.


Well these fellows don't seem friendly. But you can't judge a book by its cover, right?

And so forth. The line between good and bad starts to blur. Keep the guns restricted and you at least can tell who the criminals are.

Originally Posted by fatty

Precisely. I've boughten into this argument before but then thought of circumstances where everyone had access to firearms. IMHO this becomes problematic very quickly.


These seem like decent guys. Okay, they can keep their guns.


Umm not sure about that machine gun, but sure, I'll buy it.


Well these fellows don't seem friendly. But you can't judge a book by its cover, right?

And so forth. The line between good and bad starts to blur. Keep the guns restricted and you at least can tell who the criminals are.

And count the bodies of the innocent?

This is what its about!


1. Banning guns works, which is why New York, DC, Detroit & Chicago cops need guns.

2. Washington DC's low murder rate of 69 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control, and Indianapolis' high murder rate of 9 per 100,000 is due to the lack of gun control.

3. Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics showing increasing murder rates after gun control are "just statistics."

4. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which went into effect in 1994 are responsible for the decrease in violent crime rates, which have been declining since 1991.

5. We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.

6. The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.

7. An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you.

8. A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.

9. When confronted by violent criminals, you should "put up no defense - give them what they want, or run" (Handgun Control Inc. Chairman Pete Shields, Guns Don't Die - People Do, 1981, p. 125).

10. The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice about guns; just like Guns & Ammo has some excellent treatises on heart surgery.

11. One should consult an automotive engineer for safer seat belts, a civil engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon for internal medicine, a computer programmer for hard drive problems, and Sarah Brady for firearms expertise.

12. The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was created 130 years later, in 1917.

13. The National Guard, federally funded, with bases on federal land, using federally-owned weapons, vehicles, buildings and uniforms, punishing trespassers under federal law, is a "state" militia.

14. These phrases: "right of the people peaceably to assemble," "right of the people to be secure in their homes," "enumerations herein of certain rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people," and "The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively, and to the people" all refer to individuals, but "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" refers to the state.

15. "The Constitution is strong and will never change." But we should ban and seize all guns thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments to that Constitution.

16. Rifles and handguns aren't necessary to national defense! Of course, the army has hundreds of thousands of them.

17. Private citizens shouldn't have handguns, because they aren't "military weapons'', but private citizens shouldn't have "assault rifles'', because they are military weapons.

18. In spite of waiting periods, background checks, fingerprinting, government forms, etc., guns today are too readily available, which is responsible for recent school shootings. In the 1940's, 1950's and 1960's, anyone could buy guns at hardware stores, army surplus stores, gas stations, variety stores, Sears mail order, no waiting, no background check, no fingerprints, no government forms and there were no school shootings.

19. The NRA's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign about kids handling guns is propaganda, but the anti-gun lobby's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign is responsible social activity.

20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.

21. A handgun, with up to 4 controls, is far too complex for the typical adult to learn to use, as opposed to an automobile that only has 20.

22. Women are just as intelligent and capable as men but a woman with a gun is "an accident waiting to happen" and gun makers' advertisements aimed at women are "preying on their fears."

23. Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into slaughtering butchers but revert to normal when the weapon is removed.

24. Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun shows.

25. A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the population supported owning slaves.

26. Any self-loading small arm can legitimately be considered to be a "weapon of mass destruction" or an "assault weapon."

27. Most people can't be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which most people will abide by because they can be trusted.

28. The right of Internet pornographers to exist cannot be questioned because it is constitutionally protected by the Bill of Rights, but the use of handguns for self defense is not really protected by the Bill of Rights.

29. Free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters, computers, and typewriters, but self- defense only justifies bare hands.

30. The ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends certain parts of the Constitution, and the NRA is bad, because it defends other parts of the Constitution.

31. Charlton Heston, a movie actor as president of the NRA is a cheap lunatic who should be ignored, but Michael Douglas, a movie actor as a representative of Handgun Control, Inc. is an ambassador for peace who is entitled to an audience at the UN arms control summit.

32. Police operate with backup within groups, which is why they need larger capacity pistol magazines than do "civilians" who must face criminals alone and therefore need less ammunition.

33. We should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other inexpensive guns because it's not fair that poor people have access to guns too.

34. Police officers have some special Jedi-like mastery over handguns that private citizens can never hope to obtain.

35. Private citizens don't need a gun for self- protection because the police are there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their protection.

36. Citizens don't need to carry a gun for personal protection but police chiefs, who are desk-bound administrators who work in a building filled with cops, need a gun.

37. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers of people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.

38. When Microsoft pressures its distributors to give Microsoft preferential promotion, that's bad; but when the Federal government pressures cities to buy guns only from Smith & Wesson, that's good.

39. Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes, which is why you see police officers with one on their duty weapon.
40. Handgun Control, Inc., says they want to "keep guns out of the wrong hands." Guess what? You have the wrong hands.

[MadMike]

Awesome, the liberals will be wetting their drawers over this legal decision. BTW, if you are a law abiding citizen who can pass a background check (and other necessities on BATF Form 4473), you can legally obtain a semi-auto AK-74 here through your friendly FFL dealer-



The Romanian WASR-2 is assembled in the U.S. by Century Arms using a majority of U.S. manufactured parts. They also sell 7.62x39 versions. The stock is unfinished, you'll have to stain and lacquer it (I also had to polish some parts, nothing beyond the skills of any home based gunsmith).

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/R..._AK_Rifle.html

Yours, Mike

[JetSnake]

Just for all of you anti-gunners. I'm going to buy some more evil black rifles next month. I don't really need them, but I will get them because I can.

[stabiz]

Hows the weather in the Mid West?

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

excellent...... now american population will kill each other faster :rotfl::rotfl:

no seriously though,, i lov the rules for shooting ranges, i can fire enything i want under 18 with parental supervision. but i dont like the public gun laws and how easy it is to get a gun..

There are always other countries to live in - I think the UK has all guns pretty much banned. Try there.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by stabiz

That is some warped logic right there.

Lets continue your thinking a bit. Lets say every human on the planet had a gun. Nobody would fire at each other then? lol

Your thinking is not correct. You are the first generation in the history of the world where you don't have a weapon at all times. Did people throughout history shoot each other? Simple answer - no. And if they did, there would be reprocussions from every other armed citizen out there.

I think people have watched way too many movies and this conjures up images of Westerns. The problem with westerns is, there were no street dules where the first person to draw yadda yadda yadda - this never ever happened!!! That is a Hollywood made creation. All the garbage you see on screen never happened that way. There is no documented case where a pistol draw ever happneed in the history of the US!!!

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by MadMike

Awesome, the liberals will be wetting their drawers over this legal decision. BTW, if you are a law abiding citizen who can pass a background check (and other necessities on BATF Form 4473), you can legally obtain a semi-auto AK-74 here through your friendly FFL dealer-



The Romanian WASR-2 is assembled in the U.S. by Century Arms using a majority of U.S. manufactured parts. They also sell 7.62x39 versions. The stock is unfinished, you'll have to stain and lacquer it (I also had to polish some parts, nothing beyond the skills of any home based gunsmith).

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/R..._AK_Rifle.html

Yours, Mike

And if you look around, no matter that about half of all households in America have guns, including AR-15's and AK-47's, yet amazingly - you never see then - ever!!! That post above though with the guys all carrying around their guns was pretty funny though.

-S

[ASWnut101]

Originally Posted by MadMike

Awesome, the liberals will be wetting their drawers over this legal decision. BTW, if you are a law abiding citizen who can pass a background check (and other necessities on BATF Form 4473), you can legally obtain a semi-auto AK-74 here through your friendly FFL dealer-



The Romanian WASR-2 is assembled in the U.S. by Century Arms using a majority of U.S. manufactured parts. They also sell 7.62x39 versions. The stock is unfinished, you'll have to stain and lacquer it (I also had to polish some parts, nothing beyond the skills of any home based gunsmith).

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/R..._AK_Rifle.html

Yours, Mike

Dude, get a WASR-10. It's the 7.62x39 version. Little kick (surprisingly), and has some awesome fire-power. Just fired it at a indoor gun range; the thing is a mini-cannon. The 5.45mm is worthless if you want any decent penetration.

[Penelope_Grey]

so let me get this straight, under article two of your Bill of Rights, I could effectively walk down the street carrying a Klashnikov with the safety off and that would be cool, because that article states I have the right to bear arms?

[ASWnut101]

Yes and no. It can't be loaded in most states, and you normally have to have it packed in a case. With it in a case, you need a Consealed Weapons Permit. With that, yes, you can carry a Kalashnikov down the street. In a "right-to-carry" state (ie. Florida) only.

[Penelope_Grey]

Yikes! But thanks for answering my question.

I can well see how some people are pushing to have guns banned in the US to just them that need them. (Police, Army etc)

Though scumbags will always find a way to lay their hands on a gun. Tight control is what is needed.

Doesn't it bother the average American citizen that effectively any old tom dick or harry can lay their hand on a weapon that your typical soldier would use, and can carry it down the street and use said weapom without any real problem?

[JetSnake]

Originally Posted by Penelope_Grey

Yikes! But thanks for answering my question.

I can well see how some people are pushing to have guns banned in the US to just them that need them. (Police, Army etc)

Though scumbags will always find a way to lay their hands on a gun. Tight control is what is needed.

Doesn't it bother the average American citizen that effectively any old tom dick or harry can lay their hand on a weapon that your typical soldier would use, and can carry it down the street and use said weapom without any real problem?

No not any old tom dick or harry can get weapons that soldiers use, because selective fire weapons are tightly controlled in the US. Now if you think a semi-automatic rifle is the same thing the military uses then you are mistaken as well as the politicians in this country that call them "assault weapons".

What I don't get is why people outside of the US are concerned about our right to bear arms? These rules were written for many reasons other than defending against a tyrannical government. Most use them for hunting/ competition, collecting and just because we can. Gun deaths are far outnumbered by motor vehicle accidents, drunk drivers, etc. Maybe we should outlaw vehicles.

[MadMike]

When the going get's rough, I reach for 7.62x54R...

It's interesting to note European laws on deactivated firearms (which do not meet US requirements for importation)-

http://www.rusmilitary.com/html/c-deact_ak74m.htm










Yours, Mike