moonlight effect solution - theretical

[WernerSobe]

well we dont have to change that formula but the index where the connection between sun reflect color and the sun orbit. It might be hardcoded might be not but i dont think so.

And where does it say that we are not allowed to alter hardcoded areas? I think we may do anything as long we dont charge money or call someone elses work ours...

[Dowly]

Someone else can answer about the 'invisible rules of modding', but that´s what I´ve heard.

[melnibonian]

Originally Posted by WernerSobe

And where does it say that we are not allowed to alter hardcoded areas? I think we may do anything as long we dont charge money or call someone elses work ours...

I think if you check the licence agreement you signed with Ubisoft (when you bought and install the game) there is a clause that doesn't allow the modification of the code. In any case playing with the source code is illegal as there are copywrite issues involved. If you want to do it you're obviously free but you should know that none of the modders will accept a mod like that. After all don't forget that Ubisoft and SH will be around for years to come and I don't think anyone would like to piss the Devs off There are also issues with respect of the Devs' work and so on but the important thing is that playing with the code is a BIG NO NO

[WernerSobe]

huh? please quote where it does say that.

1. there are already mods around that have changed hard coded areas and noone cried.
2. nonone was going to deal with the source code. Just becase the source code was never published. Im talking about disassembling the game files while propably it wont be necessery.

Anyway this is all going off topic. If you want to talk about what we may do and what we may not lets start another thread for that. please stay at topic guys.

[Dowly]

Mate, just believe Mel. He knows about it. And as far as I see, this has all been on-topic. Go ahead, make the mod, but if you change the hardcoded parts of SHIII, you are doing something illegal and you can forget the support of 90% of the community´s modders.

And please, point me out to the mods that have changed hardcoded stuff?

Your idea is great, but if it is hardcoded, you cant do nothing about it LEGALLY.

Not trying to bring you down or anything, just telling you how it works.

3- Use of the Multimedia Product

The User is authorised to use the Multimedia Product in accordance with the instructions provided in the manual or on the packaging of the Multimedia Product.
The Licence is granted solely for private use.

It is not permitted:
- To make copies of the Multimedia Product,
- To operate the Multimedia Product commercially,
- To use it contrary to morality or the laws in force,
- To modify the Multimedia Product or create any derived work <--- Meaning in today´s games that modding is OK as long as you dont touch the hardcoded parts without the permission of the rights holder, in this case Ubi.
- To transmit the Multimedia Product via a telephone network or any other electronic means, except during multi-player games on authorised networks,
- To create or distribute unauthorised levels and/or scenarios,
- To decompile, reverse engineer or disassemble the Multimedia Product.

The User cannot sell, sublicense or lease the Multimedia Product to a third party.

[WernerSobe]

The last point does say you may not reverse hardcoded areas not the point that you have marked. That one just says you may not modify anything it does not separate between code and data files. In that case any mod is illegal so what are we doing here then?

Any mod that touches files that cointain more then just data (.dat, .cfg .tga ...) is actualy touching hardcoded areas.

back to the topic

[Dowly]

WE ARE ON-TOPIC FFS!

But as you seem to ignore what I added to the part where it says we are not permitted to mod any files, good luck.

Like I said earlier, I´m not trying to bring you down, but think about it, if we would be approved to mod hardcoded stuff all the supermods would be a lot better than what they are now. But as we arent allowed to mod the .exe we have to work with what we have.

End of my discussion, good luck with your mod.

[WernerSobe]

uhm the least of game code is in .exe.

Most of it is in .sim files and actualy in any file that does contain more then simple data like texture, sound files or data containers.

[zombiewolf]

The User is authorised to use the Multimedia Product in accordance with the instructions provided in the manual or on the packaging of the Multimedia Product.
The Licence is granted solely for private use.

It is not permitted:
- To make copies of the Multimedia Product,
- To operate the Multimedia Product commercially,
- To use it contrary to morality or the laws in force,
- To modify the Multimedia Product or create any derived work <--- Meaning in today´s games that modding is OK as long as you dont touch the hardcoded parts without the permission of the rights holder, in this case Ubi.
- To transmit the Multimedia Product via a telephone network or any other electronic means, except during multi-player games on authorised networks,
- To create or distribute unauthorised levels and/or scenarios,
- To decompile, reverse engineer or disassemble the Multimedia Product.

The User cannot sell, sublicense or lease the Multimedia Product to a third party.

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The word modify has only one meaning .All of the mods listed on this site have breached this but..
The agreement is nothing more than that an agreement, it holds no WATER.The key word is PRIVATE use.If I bring a car home and rebuild it to my specs,I have not broken the law.
I just can't sell it as my own creation.I have every right to sell the procedure to make the modification though.Because what you do with this information in the privacey of you garage is up to you.

I understand this forum has rules thats one thing ,but just knock off the illegal legal stuff.
Time you go back to 182.Hopefully I don't get banned

[zombiewolf]

Originally Posted by melnibonian

I think if you check the licence agreement you signed with Ubisoft (when you bought and install the game) there is a clause that doesn't allow the modification of the code. In any case playing with the source code is illegal as there are copywrite issues involved. If you want to do it you're obviously free but you should know that none of the modders will accept a mod like that. After all don't forget that Ubisoft and SH will be around for years to come and I don't think anyone would like to piss the Devs off There are also issues with respect of the Devs' work and so on but the important thing is that playing with the code is a BIG NO NO

Wow like the the "Brain Police " will come and arrest you for thought crimes.As long as you don't charge for it you can modify anything you want.
So if I buy a toaster open it up look a the guts,change something to operate better and tell a friend about it I could be sued?

[melnibonian]

Originally Posted by zombiewolf

Wow like the the "Brain Police " will come and arrest you for thought crimes.As long as you don't charge for it you can modify anything you want.
So if I buy a toaster open it up look a the guts,change something to operate better and tell a friend about it I could be sued?

No one talks about "Brain Police" and no one will come and arrest you. If you read my post carefully you will realise that what I am talking about is not the source editing part. Strictly speaking changing a program (even the code) is not illigal if you do it in your own computer and your own copy. The moment you give it to someone else (free or not makes no difference) you breaking the rules. It's exactly the same as in the music case. You can copy your own CD (assuming you have the original to start with) but you cannot distribute it to others. Now from the moment you're in a public forum these kind of discussions are 'dangerous' to say the least.