So much for Democrats courting gun owners

Originally Posted by ASWnut101

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Same here, but it's a Romainian Made. Called the GP WASR-10 (which is just a AK-47). Got Semi-Jacketed rounds. Imported by Century Arms Int. Here's a pic:



But I got a composite (olive drab) stock, a composite (olive drab) front handguard, and 2 black steel mags (shown in the above pic), and finally a 30-round clear composite mag. This is exactly what it looks like right now (but the composites are in olive drab, not the tan shown here):


http://www.tapco.com/show_image.aspx...5-3de9ded562be

Also got a Mossberg 500 (12 Ga.).

That looks evil. Let's ban it.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by waste gate

That looks evil. Let's ban it.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: THat is the demo's mentality allright.

Oh! Hey! Did someone forget to mention that we all live in an evil world? :hmm: Even in the perfect Star Trek of the future, people still carry Phasers - and for good reason. The need for weaponry will never go away for eternity, at least not until man is no longer alive. There will always be someone out there trying to take everything you've got - including your life - and no, the cops can't help you. They are only good for producing the paperwork after the fact.

-S

[U-533]

AK47...

One of the most handsome weapons made... and heartiest.

We would use them most times in place of the M16.

To bad it has the stigma of being a "RED COMMIE" / "Terrorist"/ "Poor country's" Weapon.

I don't understand the laughing faces. Are you mocking my opinion?
Why does anyone, other than the government and its agents need such a weapon?
Has there ever been a time in which a government didn't allow people their God given rights? Why would anyone ever have a use for a firearm which could take a life? After all criminal activity is enviromental and if guns are banned no one will have them.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by waste gate

I don't understand the laughing faces. Are you mocking my opinion?

I'm not, but I disagree mightily.

Why does anyone, other than the government and its agents need such a weapon?

Why does a government or its agents need such a weapon? I trust my neighbors with guns more than I trust governments with guns. Here in Utah I've been told by cops that they consider armed citizens to be their best backup.

Has there ever been a time in which a government didn't allow people their God given rights?

I don't understand. Are you saying that governments always allow people their rights? If so, I can show you many cases of governments denying citizens their rights. History is full of them.

Why would anyone ever have a use for a firearm which could take a life?

I'm 5 feet 8 inches tall and nearly 60 years old. When a 6-foot-2 guy comes into my apartment and attacks me without warning, should I beat him up? How?

After all criminal activity is enviromental and if guns are banned no one will have them.

All criminal activity is NOT environmental. I've met people who really were broken-they had no concept of right and wrong. Second half of your sentence: show me exactly how you would ban all guns. I personally know people who know how to make their own. From scratch. Also, how exactly do you propose to ban ALL guns?

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I'm not, but I disagree mightily.

Why does a government or its agents need such a weapon? I trust my neighbors with guns more than I trust governments with guns. Here in Utah I've been told by cops that they consider armed citizens to be their best backup.

I don't understand. Are you saying that governments always allow people their rights? If so, I can show you many cases of governments denying citizens their rights. History is full of them.

I'm 5 feet 8 inches tall and nearly 60 years old. When a 6-foot-2 guy comes into my apartment and attacks me without warning, should I beat him up? How?

All criminal activity is NOT environmental. I've met people who really were broken-they had no concept of right and wrong. Second half of your sentence: show me exactly how you would ban all guns. I personally know people who know how to make their own. From scratch. Also, how exactly do you propose to ban ALL guns?

show me exactly how you would ban all guns. I personally know people who know how to make their own. From scratch. Also, how exactly do you propose to ban ALL guns?

[/QUOTE]If those who continue to to manufacture their own fire arms will be criminals by their disobedience to the law which the government has legally made.

I'm 5 feet 8 inches tall and nearly 60 years old. When a 6-foot-2 guy comes into my apartment and attacks me without warning, should I beat him up? How?

If fire arms are banned no criminal activity will threaten your life.

I don't understand. Are you saying that governments always allow people their rights?

Of course where else would you get rights.

If so, I can show you many cases of governments denying citizens their rights. History is full of them.

Please, list your cases where the government purposely turned on those it governs.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Originally Posted by waste gate

If fire arms are banned no criminal activity will threaten your life.

What about knives and other weapons? One need not have a projectile to injure and kill.

Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

What about knives and other weapons? One need not have a projectile to injure and kill.

First we start with guns. Then we can move on to knives and 'other' weapons.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by waste gate

If those who continue to to manufacture their own fire arms will be criminals by their disobedience to the law which the government has legally made.

So if a criminal (who by his very nature disobeys the law) wants to make his own guns, your new law will make him not do it?

If fire arms are banned no criminal activity will threaten your life.

See above. Criminals attack people all the time with other weapons, including their very size and strength. If some guy with a knife wants to attack me, how do I defend myself? A gun seems like the way to go to me.

I don't understand. Are you saying that governments always allow people their rights?

Of course where else would you get rights.

Governments deny people their rights all the time. Look at Germany during the period of the game we like to play. Look at the United States, denying certain segments of the population equal rights for more than a hundred years. The whole point of trying to guarantee rights is the problem that the people in control are always trying to deny others their "God given" rights. It's what governments do best.

Please, list your cases where the government purposely turned on those it governs.

You're joking, right? The United States fought a major civil war just a few generations ago, because a large portion of the population was being denied ALL rights, including the right to be considered anything more than property. There are many examples of governments denying all kinds of rights. Unfortunately my time at the library is almost up; I'll have to continue this tomorrow.

But think about this: right now you're advocating that the government take away my right to defend myself. If you get your way you will have no protection from the possibility of that same government deciding that you no longer have the right to drive a car, watch a movie or even play video games.

All rights come from the consent of the people, not the government.

[MadMike]

Yours, Mike

But think about this: right now you're advocating that the government take away my right to defend myself.

Isn't that is what government is for.....to defend its citizens?

After all if we had allowed our government to protect us we would have not had all these school shootings.

[August]

Originally Posted by waste gate

Of course where else would you get rights.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

The point is that any government legislation restricting legal gun ownership only effects those who wish to be law abiding, ie the potential victims of a crime. It does not effect the criminal who has his own means of attaining weapons outside of the law. Yeah some of that might be via stolen firearms, but show me the country anywhere where there is no weapons blackmarket, especially one with borders as porus as ours are.

If you outright ban all civilian posession of firearms tomorrow, the only ones who will continue to have access to firearms will be the criminal element of society. I'm just not willing to trust my life or my families lives to the mercy of some thug who thinks he can rob us then cut our throats to keep us from being witnesses against him later.

Nor do I trust the goverment either. Not their promises of honoring the rest of my "unalienable" rights once I start letting them get away with picking and choosing which ones they want to ignore, and certainly not their ability to protect me and mine from the criminal elements of society.

An armed populace can only be governed by its consent. I can think of nothing more quintessentially American than that concept.

[loynokid]

Originally Posted by waste gate

If those who continue to to manufacture their own fire arms will be criminals by their disobedience to the law which the government has legally made.

I'm 5 feet 8 inches tall and nearly 60 years old. When a 6-foot-2 guy comes into my apartment and attacks me without warning, should I beat him up? How?

If fire arms are banned no criminal activity will threaten your life.

I don't understand. Are you saying that governments always allow people their rights?

Of course where else would you get rights.

If so, I can show you many cases of governments denying citizens their rights. History is full of them.

Please, list your cases where the government purposely turned on those it governs.[/quote]


Ok, i have a comment on the "if all firearms are banned there will be no criminal activity in your life". Ok, so we criminals are called criminals because they break the law, correct? and if they murder people with guns and steal things, why would they obey a law saying they can't have guns? We call them criminals because they Dont do what the law tells them. and also guns don't commit crimes, people do. If you set a bunch of guns in the middle of a street, they won't start jumping up and shooting people on their own. Humans might use guns for purposes that oppose the law, in that case the humans should be punished not the guns.

[loynokid]

I ran across some info in my cities local archives this is it. A soldier that fought on the pacific front in WWII recovered some Jap documents and broght them back home. I was looking at translated copies of these and guess what i found out. The japanese never invaded the US homeland directly because so many people in the US possesed firearms. They figured that they would be getting shot at everywhere they went. Just a little interesting tidbit.

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by waste gate

Why does anyone, other than the government and its agents need such a weapon?
Has there ever been a time in which a government didn't allow people their God given rights? Why would anyone ever have a use for a firearm which could take a life? After all criminal activity is enviromental and if guns are banned no one will have them.

You had so many quotes I wanted to address, I finally just picked one ...

The government has already experimented with taking away guns from it's citzens, along with drugs, sex, and alcohol.

Those citzens are in jail's and prison's all over our land and they still continue to kill each other, share drugs with each other, drink alcohol and have sex with each other.

What you propose Waste gate is impossible, give up ... I was with you on fighting energy and wasting our resources, but this is it waste gate ... You either give in or no more Mr nice guy ... just kidding on the threat part.

Come on waste gate meet us half way ...