Iranians carve unit emblem into U.S. Ship

[Ishmael]

Let me see if I have this right.

The CIA overthrows the Mossadegh govt. in Iran in 1953 and installs the Shah with the help of the mullahs to stop naionalization of Iranian oil, then trains SAVAK for the Shah to unleash on the same mullahs, paving the way for 1978.

The Carlyle Group sells chemical weapons to Saddam in the 1980's which he uses on the Iranians and the Kurds with the blessings of the Reagan Administration. Then we use those same weapons as an excuse to topple Saddam after he opens an oil bourse trading in euros. Instead of sending in 500,000 troops like 1991 to secure the country & order, we send 100,000 & then disband the Iraqi army & send them home with their guns while not employing any of them in Iraqi reconstruction so Bush & Cheney's friends can steal billions. Then the insurgency begins whose existence is denied until it is full-blown. Meanwhile, Halliburton fails to even install metering valves on the oil pipeline terminals in Basra so no one knows how much oil is being stolen. Statistics show that 92% of US casualties in Iraq are caused by the Sunni insurgency, funded by Saudi Arabia, among others. At the same time, oil production privitization bills are rammed through the Iraqi interim govt. to ensure US oil companies control of Iraqi oil.

The same Halliburton, while Cheney is CEO, sells centrifuge technology to Iran in the 90's through it's Cayman Islands subsidiary, directly aiding the Iranian nuclear program.
in 2003, under Khattami, Iran sends an offer to the US govt through Switzerland to, among other things, recognize Israel's right to exist and aid Nato forces in combatting the Taliban in Afghanistan. Condi Rice doesn't recall seeing the offer even after Flynt Leverette, her deputy, all but calls her a liar. Iran, worried about having US troops on 2 of it's borders, ramps up acquisition of thousands of antiship missles to prepare for a confrontation in the Gulf. the Iraqi invasion leads directly to the election of Ahmedinajad.

The Iran Study Group, similar in form to the White House Iraq Group and the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans, begins to beat the drum for confrontation with Iran using sources like the MEK(Mujaheddin-el-Khalq) for intelligence whose reliability is on a par with the thoroughly discredited Ahmed Chalibi. The one group that had real intelligence on Iran's nuclear program, Brewster-Jennings & Assoc., is neutralized and rendered impotent by the Office of the Vice-President in order to discredit Joe Wilson because his wife, Valerie Plame, ran BJ&A as a covert CIA analyst.

The reports of Iranian involvement in weapons smuggling to Iraq are trumpeted to the media, even though not one US official in the military or government will actually go on record. Meanwhile, Gen. Pace, the new Army Chief-of-Staff, downplays those same reports but receives no airtime for his analysis. The photos of weapons shown, actually show date & type information in English with American-style date stamps(mm-dd-yyyy versus dd-mm-yyyy) and no farsi script on them whatsoever. Bush and co. rail against Muqtada al-sadr(an Iraqi nationalist) and the Mahdi militia while meeting personally with Abdul Aziz Al-Hakim who is actually funded by the Iranians with his Badr Brigade militia.

We have one carrier group in the Gulf with two more enroute as well as a Marine amphibious force with two more carrier groups enroute. At the same time, Iran opens an oil bourse trading in euros and has their coastline littered with the aforementioned antiship missles. All of this while our troops in Iraq, most on their 2nd to 4th deployment, are in the middle of a Sunni-Shia civil war and defacto partition of the country. The man who failed to adequately train & equip the Iraqi security forces, Gen. David Petraeus, is promoted to command of US forces in Iraq while command of CENTCOM is given to an admiral with more experience in naval & air operations than ground operations.

A car bomb blows up a busload of Iranian revolutionary guards just across Iran's border with Afghanistan while US forces in Iraq hunt Iranian agents instead of Sunni insurgents and Al-qaeda in Iraq who blew up the Golden Dome Mosque last year, igniting the current level of "sectarian violence" or civil war. John Negroponte, who oversaw the creation of death squads in Central america in the 80's is ambassador to Iraq at the time of the formation of Shi'ite death squads in Iraq.

Now we have an Iranian group claiming to have marked a US warship in the Gulf. No small feat if the ship is underway at 17 knots. Bush claims to be pursuing diplomatic options with Iran after ignoring the previous Iranian peace offer. Meanwhile, 60% of Iranians are under the age of 25 and want more openess and reform in their government without any outside(read US) meddling.

But we're not going to attack Iran. The Decider has spoken. Considering the bang-up success of Bush's "strategy in Afghanistan & Iraq and the number and blatancy of the lies his admin. have already told, I hope you will forgive my skepticism about his statements on Iran or our chances of success in any such confrontation. As I see it, If Iran is attacked, we will lose a good portion of any Naval assets in the gulf with a casualty rate in the tens of thousands and a shooting war with the entire Muslim world.

But, Henny-Penny, I'm just being alarmist. I don't have any defense contractor stocks so I won't be making money off of these wars, although, Bush, Cheney and their Saudi friends/masters certainly will.

[MadMike]

"Iran
Iran remained the most active state sponsor of terrorism. Its Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and Ministry of Intelligence and Security (MOIS) were directly involved in the planning and support of terrorist acts and continued to exhort a variety of groups, especially Palestinian groups with leadership cadres in Syria and Lebanese Hizballah, to use terrorism in pursuit of their goals. In addition, the IRGC was increasingly involved in supplying lethal assistance to Iraqi militant groups, which destabilizes Iraq.

Iran continues to be unwilling to bring to justice senior al-Qaida members it detained in 2003. Iran has refused to identify publicly these senior members in its custody on "security grounds." Iran has also resisted numerous calls to transfer custody of its al-Qaida detainees to their countries of origin or to third countries for interrogation and/or trial.

Iran maintained a high-profile role in encouraging anti-Israeli terrorist activity -- rhetorically, operationally, and financially. Supreme Leader Khamenei and President Ahmadi-Nejad praised Palestinian terrorist operations, and Iran provided Lebanese Hizballah and Palestinian terrorist groups -- notably HAMAS, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command -- with extensive funding, training, and weapons.
Iran pursued a variety of policies in Iraq, some of which appeared to be inconsistent with its stated objectives regarding stability in Iraq and with the objectives of the Iraqi Transitional Government and the Multi-national Forces in Iraq. Senior Iraqi officials have publicly expressed concern over Iranian interference in Iraq, and there were reports that Iran provided funding, safe passage, and arms to insurgent elements."

http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/crt/2005/64337.htm

Country Reports on Terrorism

http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/crt/2005/65275.htm

Yours, Mike

[loynokid]

Originally Posted by waste gate

Even hthat great proliferator of peace William Jefferson Clinton, lobbed a bomb into the Chinese Embasy. Or was that to keep the world's attention off of where his attention really (Monica Lewinski) was?

Either way, someone needs to put the Iranian gov't on notice that they are headed down a risky path.

I absolutely agree with this guy, i think i would rather have president bush heading up our armed forces than a liberal cook like hillary clinton or john kerry who might be running for office in 08, u guys mark my words, if u want our navy and army and airforce to be the strongest in the world like it is today, you better not vote for a "bargain with terrorist" liberal. Believe me people, that would be the end to our powerful military status that we have today

[Enigma]

I absolutely agree with this guy, i think i would rather have president bush heading up our armed forces than a liberal cook like hillary clinton or john kerry who might be running for office in 08, u guys mark my words, if u want our navy and army and airforce to be the strongest in the world like it is today, you better not vote for a "bargain with terrorist" liberal. Believe me people, that would be the end to our powerful military status that we have today

Absolute drivel.

[NefariousKoel]

We're finally starting to handle these Iranians as we should.

Send more Navy there. Thumb our noses at them. Their leadership is so full of itself, they'll make a stupid move against us and we're blame free to bomb them to sh*t.

We don't have to invade Iran. We only need to retaliate so much that not much is left after a severe bombing once they make a move.

F*ck 'em since '79.

[loynokid]

Thanks for the poitive comments on my post (enigma). Isnt it interesting how most armed forces enthusiasts and soldiers choose the conservative ideology instead of the liberal one. just food for thought. thanks again

[Mush Martin]

Originally Posted by fatty

Couple of questions:

• Why has this item appeared in only one news outlet, according to Google News?
• Why does this lone outlet happen to be Israeli?
• Why do a couple of blogs suggest that this outlet is of questionable quality?
• Who is Nur Ali Shushkari, and why is the only instance of his name on Google in this single item?
• Why is the commander of the ground forces commenting on the actions of a submarine crew?

Also of interest is that the symbol pictured there appears to be taken from the Wikipedia entry on the Revolutionary Guards, resized and compressed.

Come on guys, think critically before you start calling for blood.

A Fascinating discussion gentlemen I would be interested to hear answers
to Fatty's post.:hmm:

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Ishmael

Let me see if I have this right.

The CIA overthrows the Mossadegh govt. in Iran in 1953 and installs the Shah with the help of the mullahs to stop naionalization of Iranian oil, then trains SAVAK for the Shah to unleash on the same mullahs, paving the way for 1978.

The Carlyle Group sells chemical weapons to Saddam in the 1980's which he uses on the Iranians and the Kurds with the blessings of the Reagan Administration. Then we use those same weapons as an excuse to topple Saddam after he opens an oil bourse trading in euros. Instead of sending in 500,000 troops like 1991 to secure the country & order, we send 100,000 & then disband the Iraqi army & send them home with their guns while not employing any of them in Iraqi reconstruction so Bush & Cheney's friends can steal billions. Then the insurgency begins whose existence is denied until it is full-blown. Meanwhile, Halliburton fails to even install metering valves on the oil pipeline terminals in Basra so no one knows how much oil is being stolen. Statistics show that 92% of US casualties in Iraq are caused by the Sunni insurgency, funded by Saudi Arabia, among others. At the same time, oil production privitization bills are rammed through the Iraqi interim govt. to ensure US oil companies control of Iraqi oil.

The same Halliburton, while Cheney is CEO, sells centrifuge technology to Iran in the 90's through it's Cayman Islands subsidiary, directly aiding the Iranian nuclear program.
in 2003, under Khattami, Iran sends an offer to the US govt through Switzerland to, among other things, recognize Israel's right to exist and aid Nato forces in combatting the Taliban in Afghanistan. Condi Rice doesn't recall seeing the offer even after Flynt Leverette, her deputy, all but calls her a liar. Iran, worried about having US troops on 2 of it's borders, ramps up acquisition of thousands of antiship missles to prepare for a confrontation in the Gulf. the Iraqi invasion leads directly to the election of Ahmedinajad.

The Iran Study Group, similar in form to the White House Iraq Group and the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans, begins to beat the drum for confrontation with Iran using sources like the MEK(Mujaheddin-el-Khalq) for intelligence whose reliability is on a par with the thoroughly discredited Ahmed Chalibi. The one group that had real intelligence on Iran's nuclear program, Brewster-Jennings & Assoc., is neutralized and rendered impotent by the Office of the Vice-President in order to discredit Joe Wilson because his wife, Valerie Plame, ran BJ&A as a covert CIA analyst.

The reports of Iranian involvement in weapons smuggling to Iraq are trumpeted to the media, even though not one US official in the military or government will actually go on record. Meanwhile, Gen. Pace, the new Army Chief-of-Staff, downplays those same reports but receives no airtime for his analysis. The photos of weapons shown, actually show date & type information in English with American-style date stamps(mm-dd-yyyy versus dd-mm-yyyy) and no farsi script on them whatsoever. Bush and co. rail against Muqtada al-sadr(an Iraqi nationalist) and the Mahdi militia while meeting personally with Abdul Aziz Al-Hakim who is actually funded by the Iranians with his Badr Brigade militia.

We have one carrier group in the Gulf with two more enroute as well as a Marine amphibious force with two more carrier groups enroute. At the same time, Iran opens an oil bourse trading in euros and has their coastline littered with the aforementioned antiship missles. All of this while our troops in Iraq, most on their 2nd to 4th deployment, are in the middle of a Sunni-Shia civil war and defacto partition of the country. The man who failed to adequately train & equip the Iraqi security forces, Gen. David Petraeus, is promoted to command of US forces in Iraq while command of CENTCOM is given to an admiral with more experience in naval & air operations than ground operations.

A car bomb blows up a busload of Iranian revolutionary guards just across Iran's border with Afghanistan while US forces in Iraq hunt Iranian agents instead of Sunni insurgents and Al-qaeda in Iraq who blew up the Golden Dome Mosque last year, igniting the current level of "sectarian violence" or civil war. John Negroponte, who oversaw the creation of death squads in Central america in the 80's is ambassador to Iraq at the time of the formation of Shi'ite death squads in Iraq.

Now we have an Iranian group claiming to have marked a US warship in the Gulf. No small feat if the ship is underway at 17 knots. Bush claims to be pursuing diplomatic options with Iran after ignoring the previous Iranian peace offer. Meanwhile, 60% of Iranians are under the age of 25 and want more openess and reform in their government without any outside(read US) meddling.

But we're not going to attack Iran. The Decider has spoken. Considering the bang-up success of Bush's "strategy in Afghanistan & Iraq and the number and blatancy of the lies his admin. have already told, I hope you will forgive my skepticism about his statements on Iran or our chances of success in any such confrontation. As I see it, If Iran is attacked, we will lose a good portion of any Naval assets in the gulf with a casualty rate in the tens of thousands and a shooting war with the entire Muslim world.

But, Henny-Penny, I'm just being alarmist. I don't have any defense contractor stocks so I won't be making money off of these wars, although, Bush, Cheney and their Saudi friends/masters certainly will.

Good summarisation Ishmael.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Fish

Good summarisation Ishmael.

Yes indeed.

[baggygreen]

oh for gods sake! (pun intended).

lets get back on track..

I'd love nothin more than to see an Iranian publication release a 'photo' of this defaced US ship, with the emblem spraypainted onto the hull! Especially if it was a screenshop from MS paint, with the little spraycan thingy still visible..:rotfl:

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by baggygreen

I'd love nothin more than to see an Iranian publication release a 'photo' of this defaced US ship, with the emblem spraypainted onto the hull! Especially if it was a screenshop from MS paint, with the little spraycan thingy still visible..:rotfl:

Please be patient. Iran's graphic artists are currently tied up on another project.

[Takeda Shingen]

I have split the off-topic posts for a second time in as many days. Final warning: Keep this thread on-topic or it will close.

Thanks,
The Management

[The Avon Lady]

Previous Iranian fauxtography claims:

Fauxtography: Iranian Edition

Which also links to:

Hezbollah sinks Australian warship.

[fatty]

Originally Posted by baggygreen

I'd love nothin more than to see an Iranian publication release a 'photo' of this defaced US ship

And I'd love nothing more than to see Haaretz retract this nonsense and send Yossi Melman back to J-school

[baggygreen]

i spose we're both askin for the impossible then hey fatty!

and AL, love the aussie ship that they sank..