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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
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Originally Posted by U-533
You wanted a more "Firstestyer" contest I gave you proof that the woman who conceived the Islamic people "Hated" first. 
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Your reply is historically extremely inaccurate. There were no such things as Muslims or Islam before some 1400 years ago. Had you asked Haggar and Yishmael if they were Muslims, they would have responded "whah?" (pronounce like Tim Allen responding to Wilson in "Home Improvement"). It is only Islam that claims its own 6th century invention goes back to Adam and Eve (double "whah?"). So unless you're a Muslim, Hagar and Islam have nothing to do with each other. Besides, Islam claims Abraham was a good Muslim, too ("whah?"), and you'll never see Islam hating in any which way patriarch Ibrahim - nosiree!
In addition, historically, there was a tremendous amount of population mixes 2500 years ago in the entire region, courtesy of the Babylonians. Claiming that Arabs are purebred descendents of Yishmael is simply false.
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Denying the past and or rewriting it to suite your ego is what keeps draging us back to war.
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Well there you have it then ... I concede to Avon Lady ...
True the Muslim religion did not exsit and the Islamic people did not go by those names however many years ago the Bible was written. BUT what I stated is taught in my Sunday school. I go with what I know.
Wait wait ... umm... Let me ask this please?
Islamics are a people and Muslim is one of their religions?