Friendly fire video. A10/British unit. - Page 2

Tchocky · 02-06-07, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by robbo180265

I think what happened is an awful accident, I feel sorry for the soldier who died and even worse for the two pilots who will have to live with the guilt of this for the rest of their lives.

I just wish it had all happened for a true and just war, and not this one

I see what you're getting at , but it hardly happened for anything..

robbo180265 · 02-06-07, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Quote:

Originally Posted by robbo180265

I think what happened is an awful accident, I feel sorry for the soldier who died and even worse for the two pilots who will have to live with the guilt of this for the rest of their lives.

I just wish it had all happened for a true and just war, and not this one

I see what you're getting at , but it hardly happened for anything..

Worded it better I hope - no disrespect meant

Ducimus · 02-06-07, 08:21 PM

Im more angry at that britsh newspaper for releasing this video. (The sun) From what ive read on both CNN and BBC is that this video was declassified and was meant to be released ONLY to the inquest. Instead, this jackass newspaper (however the hell they got ahold of it) uses it as an opportunity to increase their ratings. I guess lawyers really arent the scum off the bottom of a barrel after all.

badhat17 · 02-06-07, 08:35 PM

Worth noting that the pilot never told his FAC that the vehicles had orange panels on them, if he had then I am certain the FAC would have called them off. The pilots failed to relay some basic information to the ground controller, it was very confused and I suspect that the controller thought they were asking about another target, probably the target they had actualy been tasked with attacking and not the new targets these gung ho bozo's had gone chasing after. If I was looking for a guilty party here I wouldn't look much further than the guy with his fingers on the trigger, what was he thinking ?
He suspected they were friendly right from the begining and let his FAC bring the situation round to what he wanted to see instead of believing what his own eyes could see. His controller did not have ' eyes on ' but the pilot did.

ASWnut101 · 02-06-07, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by STEED

The one thing that got me

was the news readers said the airmen have no combat experience. How the hell are they to get if not in combat. OK, it was a regretful incident but these things will happen there is no such thing as the perfect smooth running war.

All American Airmen in the USAF go to a "wargame" in Nellis Air Base, Las Vegas, Nevada. These are considered their first ten missions and as actuall combat experience. If they were in the USAF, they had experience.

nelson1985 · 02-06-07, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Quote:

Originally Posted by robbo180265

I think what happened is an awful accident, I feel sorry for the soldier who died and even worse for the two pilots who will have to live with the guilt of this for the rest of their lives.

I just wish it had all happened for a true and just war, and not this one

I see what you're getting at , but it hardly happened for anything..

there has not been a just war in a long time now.

ASWnut101 · 02-06-07, 09:20 PM

heh, really?

Anyway back on topic:

It was a VERY unfortunate incident, but fractocide is (sadly) a part of war. In fact, I can't remember any war where there was none.

nelson1985 · 02-06-07, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ASWnut101

heh, really?

Anyway back on topic:

It was a VERY unfortunate incident, but fractocide is (sadly) a part of war. In fact, I can't remember any war where there was none.

if you know some name a few

ASWnut101 · 02-06-07, 09:34 PM

What, wars where their WAS fractocide, or where there was not?

nelson1985 · 02-06-07, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ASWnut101

What, wars where their WAS fractocide, or where there was not?

both if you want

flintlock · 02-06-07, 09:44 PM

I read both the transcript and watched the video -- I felt sick. Can't even begin to imagine how the A-10 pilots felt. Horrible accident that should never have happened.

ASWnut101 · 02-06-07, 09:45 PM

Wars that had cases of Fracticide:

(only a few here)

Iraqi Freedom
Afghanistan
Gulf War/Desert Storm
World War II
Korea
Veitnam
Grenada

Wars Without Fractocide:

I can't think of any.

nelson1985 · 02-06-07, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ASWnut101

Wars that had cases of Fracticide:

(only a few here)

Iraqi Freedom
Afghanistan
Gulf War/Desert Storm
World War II
Korea
Veitnam
Grenada

Wars Without Fractocide:

I can't think of any.

even i cant think of none un less we go back 1000 years lol

baggygreen · 02-06-07, 10:49 PM

Even then i think its unlikely nelson.

Does anybody know what actually happened to the two pilots in the aftermath?

flintlock · 02-06-07, 10:55 PM

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Does anybody know what actually happened to the two pilots in the aftermath?

"The Pentagon said no disciplinary action had been taken towards the two American pilots involved in the incident.
It said an official US investigation in 2003 concluded the pilots' actions were not reckless and that they reasonably believed they were engaging an enemy target."

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6334769.stm

02-06-07, 08:35 PM	#19
badhat17 Navy Dude Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Derbyshire La La Laa Posts: 176 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Worth noting that the pilot never told his FAC that the vehicles had orange panels on them, if he had then I am certain the FAC would have called them off. The pilots failed to relay some basic information to the ground controller, it was very confused and I suspect that the controller thought they were asking about another target, probably the target they had actualy been tasked with attacking and not the new targets these gung ho bozo's had gone chasing after. If I was looking for a guilty party here I wouldn't look much further than the guy with his fingers on the trigger, what was he thinking ? He suspected they were friendly right from the begining and let his FAC bring the situation round to what he wanted to see instead of believing what his own eyes could see. His controller did not have ' eyes on ' but the pilot did. __________________

02-06-07, 09:20 PM	#22
ASWnut101 Admiral Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: USA Posts: 2,021 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	heh, really? Anyway back on topic: It was a VERY unfortunate incident, but fractocide is (sadly) a part of war. In fact, I can't remember any war where there was none. __________________

02-06-07, 09:34 PM	#24
ASWnut101 Admiral Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: USA Posts: 2,021 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	What, wars where their WAS fractocide, or where there was not? __________________

02-06-07, 09:45 PM	#27
ASWnut101 Admiral Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: USA Posts: 2,021 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Wars that had cases of Fracticide: (only a few here) Iraqi Freedom Afghanistan Gulf War/Desert Storm World War II Korea Veitnam Grenada Wars Without Fractocide: I can't think of any. __________________

02-06-07, 08:21 PM	#18
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Im more angry at that britsh newspaper for releasing this video. (The sun) From what ive read on both CNN and BBC is that this video was declassified and was meant to be released ONLY to the inquest. Instead, this jackass newspaper (however the hell they got ahold of it) uses it as an opportunity to increase their ratings. I guess lawyers really arent the scum off the bottom of a barrel after all.

02-06-07, 09:44 PM	#26
flintlock Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,177 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I read both the transcript and watched the video -- I felt sick. Can't even begin to imagine how the A-10 pilots felt. Horrible accident that should never have happened.

02-06-07, 10:49 PM	#29
baggygreen Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canberra, ACT, Down Under (really On Top) Posts: 1,880 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Even then i think its unlikely nelson. Does anybody know what actually happened to the two pilots in the aftermath?