Gato vs. VIIC

Iron Budokan · 02-05-07, 04:37 PM

Let's get ready to rumble!

Which was the better weapon of war, the Gato or the VIIC?

CCIP · 02-05-07, 05:06 PM

Apples and oranges my friend, apples and oranges.

A Gato would be as ill-suited to the North Atlantic fighting as the VII (or even a IXB/C) to the Pacific theater.

I'll pull out some figures shortly.

CCIP · 02-05-07, 05:20 PM

Gato Class

Displacement: 1526 tons surfaced, 2424 tons submerged
Crew: 80 – 85 officers and men
Test depth: 300ft (91.4m)
Speed: 20.25 kt (37.5 km/h) surfaced, 8.75 kt (16 km/h) submerged
Torpedo tubes: 6 bow, 4 stern (24 torpedoes)
Deck Gun: 102 mm/50
Range: surfaced 21,900 km at 10 knots (19 km/h), submerged 185km at 3 knots
Max depth: ?

Type VIIC

Displacement: surfaced 769 tons, submerged 871 tons
Crew: 42-46 officers and men
Test depth: 90m
Speed: surfaced 17 kt (31 km/h), submerged 8 kt (15 km/h)
Torpedo tubes: 4 bow, 1 stern (14 torpedoes)
Deck gun: 88 mm/45
Range: surfaced 11,470 km at 10 knots (19 km/h), submerged 175 km at 4 knots
Max depth: 220 m (722 ft)

Hard to compare two boats one of which is about 3 times larger than the other, and with a totally different design doctrine behind it :hmm:

WilhelmSchulz. · 02-05-07, 05:24 PM

Yea its A&O. But If you want to go by stats
#of fish, Gato
Range, Gato
Technolgy, Gato
Diveing depth, VIIC.
Efectivenes aganst fleet, Gato

But the subs where construcetd for diffrent TOs. So you cant realy compare them.

Sailor Steve · 02-05-07, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WilhelmSchulz.

Yea its A&O. But If you want to go by stats
#of fish, Gato
Range, Gato
Technolgy, Gato
Diveing depth, VIIC.
Efectivenes aganst fleet, Gato

But the subs where construcetd for diffrent TOs. So you cant realy compare them.

Maneuverablility, VIIC
Speed, Gato
Habitability, Gato
Sonar profile, VIIC

Me, I'm still in love with the laundry facility, shower and ice cream machine.

And steaks.

CCIP · 02-05-07, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WilhelmSchulz.

Yea its A&O. But If you want to go by stats
#of fish, Gato
Range, Gato
Technolgy, Gato
Diveing depth, VIIC.
Efectivenes aganst fleet, Gato

But the subs where construcetd for diffrent TOs. So you cant realy compare them.

Yep.

Though I would chalk up the VIIC for the tighter turn radius, quicker dive time, and (possibly) a somewhat more damage-resistant build. There were also several technology pieces like hydrophones and attack periscope in it that the British/Americans were impressed by when they captured German boats.

A Type IXD/2 is possibly the only German boat that's really worth the comparison. In which case it's still unclear - though the IXD/2 was possibly a deeper diver and definitely had better range than the Gato, it was probably a far less effective long-range raider due to a huge advantage that American boats had in terms of radar. (and their higher speed and heavier armament didn't hurt)

Boris · 02-05-07, 05:45 PM

I agree. Considering the size and number of eels of the gato, the IX is a much better comparison.

If it's merely a case of which ones I like better, the German boats win hands down. But then I haven't got to know the US boats yet.

Tuesday · 02-05-07, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Quote:

Originally Posted by WilhelmSchulz.

Yea its A&O. But If you want to go by stats
#of fish, Gato
Range, Gato
Technolgy, Gato
Diveing depth, VIIC.
Efectivenes aganst fleet, Gato

But the subs where construcetd for diffrent TOs. So you cant realy compare them.

Maneuverablility, VIIC
Speed, Gato
Habitability, Gato
Sonar profile, VIIC

Me, I'm still in love with the laundry facility, shower and ice cream machine.

And steaks.

Hehe yeah Steaks and Icecream for the win!

flintlock · 02-05-07, 06:31 PM

Quote:

I'm still in love with the laundry facility, shower and ice cream machine.

Don't forget those linoleum floors.

If I had to choose to skipper one, I'd take that superior German engineering in a heartbeat!

Boris · 02-05-07, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flintlock

Quote:

I'm still in love with the laundry facility, shower and ice cream machine.

Don't forget those linoleum floors.

If I had to choose to skipper one, I'd take that superior German engineeering in a heartbeat!

:rotfl:Or were they vinyl? :hmm:

flintlock · 02-05-07, 06:59 PM

lol, I believe we established it was linoleum.

flyingdane · 02-05-07, 07:21 PM

You can't compaire the two, GATO=

and 9c=

so there..HaHaHa

..BOO!

b1bmsgt · 02-05-07, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Considering the size and number of eels of the gato, the IX is a much better comparison.

U-Boat = Eels

US Boat = Fish

Just keepin' it real, dawg...

Russ

Iron Budokan · 02-05-07, 11:44 PM

Thanks guys, that's all info I didn't know, and the comparison has helped me see both boats differently.

Weren't the VIICs pretty much built just for war and nothing else? What I mean is, there were very little comforts on the VIICs, they were war vessels, period, and not meant to serve in the fleet a really long time. Isn't that right?

CCIP · 02-06-07, 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iron Budokan

Weren't the VIICs pretty much built just for war and nothing else? What I mean is, there were very little comforts on the VIICs, they were war vessels, period, and not meant to serve in the fleet a really long time. Isn't that right?

Well I think it's true that the reason Germans excluded many comforts was that they wouldn't sacrifice any performance for that!

That said, I think there again is the difference in philosophy - American boats were built for longer fleet operations, with the comforts accounted for.

Mind you, some German boats still served in various Allied navies for years after the war...

02-05-07, 04:37 PM	#1
Iron Budokan Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,778 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Gato vs. VIIC Let's get ready to rumble! Which was the better weapon of war, the Gato or the VIIC? __________________ "You will take on England wherever you find her ships, and you will break her power at sea." --Iron Coffins, Herbert A. Werner http://kennethmarkhoover.com

02-05-07, 05:06 PM	#2
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Apples and oranges my friend, apples and oranges. A Gato would be as ill-suited to the North Atlantic fighting as the VII (or even a IXB/C) to the Pacific theater. I'll pull out some figures shortly. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

02-05-07, 05:20 PM	#3
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Gato Class Displacement: 1526 tons surfaced, 2424 tons submerged Crew: 80 – 85 officers and men Test depth: 300ft (91.4m) Speed: 20.25 kt (37.5 km/h) surfaced, 8.75 kt (16 km/h) submerged Torpedo tubes: 6 bow, 4 stern (24 torpedoes) Deck Gun: 102 mm/50 Range: surfaced 21,900 km at 10 knots (19 km/h), submerged 185km at 3 knots Max depth: ? Type VIIC Displacement: surfaced 769 tons, submerged 871 tons Crew: 42-46 officers and men Test depth: 90m Speed: surfaced 17 kt (31 km/h), submerged 8 kt (15 km/h) Torpedo tubes: 4 bow, 1 stern (14 torpedoes) Deck gun: 88 mm/45 Range: surfaced 11,470 km at 10 knots (19 km/h), submerged 175 km at 4 knots Max depth: 220 m (722 ft) Hard to compare two boats one of which is about 3 times larger than the other, and with a totally different design doctrine behind it :hmm: __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

02-05-07, 05:24 PM	#4
WilhelmSchulz. The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Virgina Beach Posts: 1,301 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	Yea its A&O. But If you want to go by stats #of fish, Gato Range, Gato Technolgy, Gato Diveing depth, VIIC. Efectivenes aganst fleet, Gato But the subs where construcetd for diffrent TOs. So you cant realy compare them. __________________ "Some ships are designed to sink… others require our assistance."

02-05-07, 07:21 PM	#12
flyingdane Weps Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 355 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	You can't compaire the two, GATO= and 9c= so there..HaHaHa..BOO! __________________ It denos't mtater waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, it's olny iprmoatnt taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae.The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelms.Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

02-05-07, 05:45 PM	#7
Boris Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 1,691 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	I agree. Considering the size and number of eels of the gato, the IX is a much better comparison. If it's merely a case of which ones I like better, the German boats win hands down. But then I haven't got to know the US boats yet.

02-05-07, 06:59 PM	#11
flintlock Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,177 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	lol, I believe we established it was linoleum.

02-05-07, 11:44 PM	#14
Iron Budokan Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,778 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Thanks guys, that's all info I didn't know, and the comparison has helped me see both boats differently. Weren't the VIICs pretty much built just for war and nothing else? What I mean is, there were very little comforts on the VIICs, they were war vessels, period, and not meant to serve in the fleet a really long time. Isn't that right? __________________ "You will take on England wherever you find her ships, and you will break her power at sea." --Iron Coffins, Herbert A. Werner http://kennethmarkhoover.com