SH4 pre-order confusion

[Potoroo]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

So that tells me they may be getting ready to set up for the same preorders as Ubi. When it goes live I will shout out. If you want to order SH4 through Subsim, it is appreciated.

If SubSim were to be able to offer the pre-order package currently available on Ubisoft's US online shop would you be prepared to ship outside the US/Canada? That's what's really getting up people's noses in the Ubisoft forum. It's not just that it's only available on the US site, it's also that it will not sell to people in other countries even if they were prepared to pay extra for shipping.

[Onkel Neal]

Yeah, that's pretty screwed up, mate. I'll be honest with you, back when Chips was our affiliate, I could call the affiliate manager and get info like you're asking for. Subsim sold a lot of games for Chips. With Amazon, Subsim is a wee little fishy, they won't even talk with me So I will try to get the info asap, I would even be happy to place orders for you and ship them to Australia, but I don't want to hold anyone up.

And to answer your question in the Ubi forum, about how Subsim gets info on SH4, I've been writing countless articles, reviews, and previews for 11 years, so my track record helps. Think about this, I wrote a preview twice as long and detailed as Gamespot but they got the 6 minute exclusive video

I think in a few weeks some people will have a chance to demo the game at an Ubi event so stay tuned.

I see the Ubi forum and Subsim forum as cousins, so anything I publish here is meant for you/them/us too. It's only a hyperlink away

cheers!
Neal

[CCIP]

Alright, well, I'll give it a month! If we can get pre-orders through subsim in February, I'll be happy enough. Let's hope that's the case; I just can't wait for the game more than I have to.
(that said, I've already donated to subsim recently so I hope noone thinks I'm ditching my support :p)

[donut]

"With Amazon, Subsim is a wee little fishy, they won't even talk with me " For treating Onkel this way. No one @ Subsim should buy from Amazon. Advising Onkel to do business else ware,UBI made the game with Subsims forums ideas,& will cash in on same in SHIV . IMHO.UBI should be there for Subsim,& support Onkel's site with a larger kick back than Amaz-on + UBI should give Onkel A priority link, for sales from Subsim. I will not buy SHIV unless Subsim gets credit ,hard cash support from UBI.

[_Seth_]

Originally Posted by donut

I will not buy SHIV unless Subsim gets credit ,hard cash support from UBI.

[Gizzmoe]

Originally Posted by donut

I will not buy SHIV unless Subsim gets credit ,hard cash support from UBI.

Ubi highly values our community, they listen to our feedback and everything. Neal´s relationship to Ubi and the devs is great, for example they invited him to San Francisco for the hands-on preview. They give us submarine sims to play with, that keeps Subsim.com alive. Neal and many others appreciate Ubi´s commitment, we have nothing to be unthankful about.

[hyperion2206]

At the German Ubisoft Forum an Ubi guy tried clear things up. There will be 3 different types of games available:
1. Normal Game (60 page manual, key maps, map of the pacific)
2. Collectors Edition (60 page manual, key maps, map of the pacific, 100 page ship recognition handbook, soundtrack and sew-on badge(s) )
3. Super Collectors Edition (only at ubi shop)

[danlisa]

Ok, back the confusion....

I need this clarified.....

If we pre-order SH4 there will be a limited amount of 'Collectors' Edition available.(with extra goodies)

Once that amount of 'Collectors' Editions are gone then a Standard DVD version is for sale.

How, if we pre-order, do we know if we'll get the 'Collectors' Edition?(limited numbers?)

If I wait for a few months to see whether you guys give it a good review & whether it is buggy again, then there will be NO chance that I could purchase a 'Collectors' Edition with added goodies?

I think the main question is, will I be able to buy the Collectors Edition 6 months down the line? Or is this a one time offer.

Why do I feel slightly shafted for biding my time.:hmm:

[hyperion2206]

Originally Posted by danlisa

Ok, back the confusion....

I need this clarified.....

If we pre-order SH4 there will be a limited amount of 'Collectors' Edition available.(with extra goodies)

Once that amount of 'Collectors' Editions are gone then a Standard DVD version is for sale.

How, if we pre-order, do we know if we'll get the 'Collectors' Edition?(limited numbers?)

If I wait for a few months to see whether you guys give it a good review & whether it is buggy again, then there will be NO chance that I could purchase a 'Collectors' Edition with added goodies?

I think the main question is, will I be able to buy the Collectors Edition 6 months down the line? Or is this a one time offer.

Why do I feel slightly shafted for biding my time.:hmm:

The Ubi guy said that you could purchase the normal game (obvious ) and the collectors edition in your local store, but the super collectors edition is only available at ubi store.

[Potoroo]

Originally Posted by danlisa

Ok, back the confusion....

I need this clarified.....

I think the main question is, will I be able to buy the Collectors Edition 6 months down the line? Or is this a one time offer.

It depends where you are, it seems. What was posted on the German Ubi site is very different to what the US Community Manager is saying in the Ubi forum.

What's in the US/Canadian pre-order package from Ubisoft:

* Premium Packaging
* 100+ page manual including reference material
* Fold-out historical map of the Pacific theater
* Fold out ship recognition poster
* Quick Reference Card
* 1-hour of WWII-era documentary footage about U.S. submarines from Periscope Films on a Bonus DVD

How long it will be available:

• This announcement is for the packaging which is available for a limited time. It is NOT a limited/special edition.
  
• That means that you will get all these goodies if you pre-order from Ubi, buy it in your local gaming store, or buy it online as long as it's in US/Canada and during the limited time it's available.
  
• Like I said before, after the limited time, they'll change over to a basic package with only some/none of the goodies.

See http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...8761086925/p/1. Look for posts by AudibleKnight.

[donut]

Originally Posted by Gizzmoe

Ubi highly values our community, they listen to our feedback and everything. Neal´s relationship to Ubi and the devs is great, for example they invited him to San Francisco for the hands-on preview. They give us submarine sims to play with, that keeps Subsim.com alive. Neal and many others appreciate Ubi´s commitment, we have nothing to be unthankful about.

why are you only quoting only the harshest part of my post? What I am Upset about is Amaz-ons insult to Onkel,& IMHO. Onkel,can do better with UBI,& UBI should be able to see thats in there best interest also.Win, win situation get it.

[hyperion2206]

At the German Amazon site you can finally preorder the collectors edition which includes soundtracks, sew-on badge and a spiral handbook at a cost of 54,99 € .

[Gizzmoe]

Originally Posted by donut

why are you only quoting only the harshest part of my post? What I am Upset about is Amaz-ons insult to Onkel,& IMHO. Onkel,can do better with UBI,& UBI should be able to see thats in there best interest also.Win, win situation get it.

You are not doing him a favour by calling for an Amazon boycott and also by trying to put pressure on Ubi by saying you won´t buy SH4 unless they give Neal "hard cash support". Such behaviour isn´t helpful and won´t lead to a solution. Neal will try everything to find a better solution, if he can´t, well, the amount of money he would get from Amazon for 500 copies of SH4 wouldn´t be bad.