Another poll, but telling

[Enigma]

That's exactly what Bush is doing. But it would be nice if the left-wing whining would stop for a change.

Seriosuly, lefties! Stop standing up for your beliefs! didnt you get the memo about rubber stamping everything the President wants to do despite his repeated failures in almost every major action of his presidency? Geez!

Bush has to step on these people because your side is pushing for total surrender.

Complete baselss drivel. Also, there is a civil war in Iraq. What exactly are we to surrender? We hold no land, we hold no asset....

I just wonder whether or not we're going to leave them with an inactive terrorists underground that is waiting for us to leave before they resume. Because of the left's abject weakness, this is a distinct possibility. The timetable being sought now and rush to get everyone out, even if the job remains undone will most assuredly make this a reality.

Whats a bigger possibilty, that Liberals have created terrorists by taking a position, or that invasion and occupation has created terrorists? Besides, I think it hardly fair you make this a democrat issue when it was Bush Sr who left Iraq prior to what can only be described as a sectarian slaughter....

[Enigma]

I also must add....

This is the first Democratic congress/Senate in, what, 12 years? Bush has had the house to himself for 7 years. The dems have had the house for 3 weeks. Yet, already, its the lefts fault that Bush is struggling with Iraq policy?

Give me a break.....

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Enigma

Seriosuly, lefties! Stop standing up for your beliefs! didnt you get the memo about rubber stamping everything the President wants to do despite his repeated failures in almost every major action of his presidency? Geez!

For your info, I don't like his handling of the war either. But I think it would be a bad idea to just drop everything and quit, like what we hear everyday from Democrats. I don't want the "rubber stamp" either. But if the Democrats cannot come up with anything other than partisan criticism, they are not part of the solution. Bush has admitted mistakes and is changing tactics. Now shut-up and let the people we elected to office do their jobs.

Complete baselss drivel. Also, there is a civil war in Iraq. What exactly are we to surrender? We hold no land, we hold no asset....

If we leave that region before the job is done, we may have to commit resources in the future to tackle something that may be bigger than what we have to face now. We may have to go back due to the chaos that is likely to happen. The Democrats lack of foresight on this is stunning. Face it now and finish it.

Whats a bigger possibilty, that Liberals have created terrorists by taking a position, or that invasion and occupation has created terrorists? Besides, I think it hardly fair you make this a democrat issue when it was Bush Sr who left Iraq prior to what can only be described as a sectarian slaughter....

Liberals have not created terrorists, but they sure do help them by demoralizing this nation from having the resolve to win and complete the job. And I don't think you understand what happened after Gulf War 1. There was a cease fire. Bush Sr., due to a UN agreed upon cease fire, could not have done what you propose. Perhaps he should not have agreed to the cease fire before Hussein was deposed. :hmm: Of course the blood would have continued to spill. I think the UN hoped that Hussein would live up to his agreements which he didn't. Are we learning anything from UN agreements, and appeasement in general yet???

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Enigma

I also must add....

This is the first Democratic congress/Senate in, what, 12 years? Bush has had the house to himself for 7 years. The dems have had the house for 3 weeks. Yet, already, its the lefts fault that Bush is struggling with Iraq policy?

Give me a break.....

Oh no, I blame Bush for not executing the war properly. But I fault the Democrats for criticising every move made, not offering up anything of value to counter, failing to realize that the President IS the CINC and we don't have Democrats in congress to be a bunch of little mini-CINC's themselves. And the fact that they do everything in their power to effect in the minds of every American that "we lost" before it's over. This type of effort toward national demoralization by the Democrats make me cringe. What a bunch of absolute lemmings I might add.

[ASWnut101]

Originally Posted by Enigma

Complete baselss drivel. Also, there is a civil war in Iraq. What exactly are we to surrender? We hold no land, we hold no asset....

no asset? unless you don't want to drive anymore, I think there is somehting there. Hint: its black, flammable, and is an asset.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by ASWnut101

no asset? unless you don't want to drive anymore, I think there is somehting there. Hint: its black, flammable, and is an asset.

Yes! Of course! The oil!

*slaps forehead*

How the hell is it yours?

[ASWnut101]

it's everyones. and since you obviously don't want to protect it, someone (the U.S.) must do it for everyone, even through the people we are protecting it for wish for us to fail.

[Enigma]

even through the people we are protecting it for wish for us to fail.

Do people even realize how absurd, and probably pretty offensive, this repeated claim actually is?

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Enigma

Do people even realize how absurd, and probably pretty offensive, this repeated claim actually is?

The truth hurts.

[Enigma]

The truth hurts.

Pathetic.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Enigma

Pathetic.

Perhaps if the Democrats in the USA, the socialists in Europe, and the American media would stop reporting every coalition death or American setback with glee, I might believe you. But your refusal to see how these people openly root against us is delusional. Don't tell me you're one of those Democrats that "are against the war, hate the President, think the USA is imperialistic and evil, but are "patriotic" & support the troops." That sir, is pathetic.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by ASWnut101

it's everyones. and since you obviously don't want to protect it, someone (the U.S.) must do it for everyone, even through the people we are protecting it for wish for us to fail.

How is it everyones? Please explain how the oil under the soil of Iraq belongs to everyone. That flies in the face of any kind of property right.

Perhaps if the Democrats in the USA, the socialists in Europe, and the American media would stop reporting every coalition death or American setback with glee, I might believe you. But your refusal to see how these people openly root against us is delusional.

Reporting with glee? Can you show proof or examples of this?

[Enigma]

Don't tell me you're one of those Democrats that "are against the war, hate the President, think the USA is imperialistic and evil, but are "patriotic" & support the troops." That sir, is pathetic.

I'm not a Democrat.

I am against the War.

I do not hate the President. However, I do think him and his have proven beyond the pail to be far from the best we can do. In fact, I consider his tenure as President to be nothing but a series of set backs and failues of policy, politics, and execution on almost all fronts.

I do not think the US is neither Imperialistic, nor evil.

Patriotism has nothing to do with bumper stickers, and has alot more to do with questioning government than not.

"Support the Troops" is another phrase that has been made an almost empty meaningless slogan by our beloved media and politicians, none the less, I do so sir, Yes. Im sorry if that disapoints you. I'm also sorry that based on the fact that I disagree with this war, you have, (in a not so veiled manner) reffered to me as:

one of those Democrats that "are against the war, hate the President, think the USA is imperialistic and evil, but are "patriotic" & support the troops."

And, of course....

Pathetic.

Pathetic indeed.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Reporting with glee? Can you show proof or examples of this?

Yes. It's there blaring across the headlines everyday. Today we get a video story on the front page of CNN news titled "War Weary families". How about balancing that out with a story of a proud family who's family member is serving in Iraq? And their pride in their military family member. We have yet another helo crash with 5 killed from AP on CBSnews. Agonizing over every death. How does that help with resolve to complete the job? Every death, reported. If that doesn't look like a concerted effort to demoralize our nation, what is? How many terrorists have we killed? What's the ratio of good guy to bad? What's the actual percentage of deaths to those who have been deployed? And how does it compare to other wars? If you read today's media, you would think we're taking record casualty rates of 95%. When in fact it's less than 1%. You can't see the media bias, that's your problem. Put your head back in the sand, hate America, hope for failure, and vote Democrat above all. Some people are just a lost cause.

[Enigma]

Put your head back in the sand, hate America, hope for failure, and vote Democrat above all. Some people are just a lost cause.

I get the feeling you dont like where this conversation is going.