Sub Commander set to shore

Bis71 · 01-20-07, 11:05 AM

I saw this. Why would a nuke sub be on the surface in rough weather? Shallow water? Why would men be on deck? Does one string lifelines on a sub?

Sailor Steve · 01-20-07, 12:23 PM

We've had threads before with people asking "Why would his career end for that?"

Remember: the navy doesn't forgive or forget. Whatever happens, the captain is responsible.

geetrue · 01-20-07, 02:42 PM

Without a good lawyer their career is over ... Never going past four stripes for sure.

They will let you finish at a desk ... Keeps the others on their toes.

Seems to work ...

edjcox · 01-20-07, 11:09 PM

The boat was leaving the harbor in shallow water on the surface during very bad weather with wind / waves

The boat was being escorted by British surface vessels (these ende up spotting and help rescue crewman.

The Subs lifelines were probably being dismatled and taken down in preparation for extended subsurface operations.

The crewman normally are required to wear lifevests during any deck operations.

I understand they were not tethered to the boat and as a result the errant wave washed them off deck and then waves pinned them to the boats side causing injury and as we now know two deaths.

Waves were pretty intense and cross chopped causing extreme difficulty. Water temperature was very cold...

We always tethered those on deck. Except Conning tower... Tethers were easily used to return sailors to boat even if unconcious.

Not sure but I guess deck operations protocls were not followed for some reason...

August · 01-20-07, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by edjcox

The boat was leaving the harbor in shallow water on the surface during very bad weather with wind / waves

The boat was being escorted by British surface vessels (these ende up spotting and help rescue crewman.

The Subs lifelines were probably being dismatled and taken down in preparation for extended subsurface operations.

The crewman normally are required to wear lifevests during any deck operations.

I understand they were not tethered to the boat and as a result the errant wave washed them off deck and then waves pinned them to the boats side causing injury and as we now know two deaths.

Waves were pretty intense and cross chopped causing extreme difficulty. Water temperature was very cold...

We always tethered those on deck. Except Conning tower... Tethers were easily used to return sailors to boat even if unconcious.

Not sure but I guess deck operations protocls were not followed for some reason...

From what I understand the dead sailors were indeed tethered to the deck and after going over the side were repeatedly bashed against the hull by the wave action. The two that survived were divers and were not tethered.

micky1up · 01-21-07, 05:21 PM

this guys is a basic submarine operation that went horribly wrong due to the fact that even more basic health and safety issue's were ignored,even on a uk submarine in foul weather the crew members on the casing ( casing party ) are required to be attached to the ice rail that all uk subs have runing down one side of the boat saying that in plymouth sound even in great weather their can be freak waves that occasionally surge over the casing yes a horrible regretable event but an entirely avoidable one , if the weather is too rough then find shelter or get your ropes secured immediatley after leaving the wall ( jetty) before speeding up into the sound

tycho102 · 01-21-07, 08:04 PM

Yeah, it sounds like the tethers acted against them once they were in the water. I was trying to come up with a reason for them to be doing anything on deck, so the port "lifelines" sound likely. Don't know about subs, but longshoremen have a go at it for surface boats in Norfolk during winter.

01-20-07, 11:05 AM	#1
Bis71 Gunner Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 92 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	I saw this. Why would a nuke sub be on the surface in rough weather? Shallow water? Why would men be on deck? Does one string lifelines on a sub? __________________ Jim Cobb

01-20-07, 12:23 PM	#2
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	We've had threads before with people asking "Why would his career end for that?" Remember: the navy doesn't forgive or forget. Whatever happens, the captain is responsible. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

01-20-07, 02:42 PM	#3
geetrue Cold War Boomer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Walla Walla Posts: 2,837 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Without a good lawyer their career is over ... Never going past four stripes for sure. They will let you finish at a desk ... Keeps the others on their toes. Seems to work ... __________________

01-20-07, 11:09 PM	#4
edjcox Engineer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Shang Gri La Posts: 219 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	Some Background The boat was leaving the harbor in shallow water on the surface during very bad weather with wind / waves The boat was being escorted by British surface vessels (these ende up spotting and help rescue crewman. The Subs lifelines were probably being dismatled and taken down in preparation for extended subsurface operations. The crewman normally are required to wear lifevests during any deck operations. I understand they were not tethered to the boat and as a result the errant wave washed them off deck and then waves pinned them to the boats side causing injury and as we now know two deaths. Waves were pretty intense and cross chopped causing extreme difficulty. Water temperature was very cold... We always tethered those on deck. Except Conning tower... Tethers were easily used to return sailors to boat even if unconcious. Not sure but I guess deck operations protocls were not followed for some reason... __________________ EJ Cox http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...jcox/usaCa.gif

01-21-07, 05:21 PM	#6
micky1up Captain Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: helensburgh Posts: 525 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	this guys is a basic submarine operation that went horribly wrong due to the fact that even more basic health and safety issue's were ignored,even on a uk submarine in foul weather the crew members on the casing ( casing party ) are required to be attached to the ice rail that all uk subs have runing down one side of the boat saying that in plymouth sound even in great weather their can be freak waves that occasionally surge over the casing yes a horrible regretable event but an entirely avoidable one , if the weather is too rough then find shelter or get your ropes secured immediatley after leaving the wall ( jetty) before speeding up into the sound

01-21-07, 08:04 PM	#7
tycho102 Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,100 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Yeah, it sounds like the tethers acted against them once they were in the water. I was trying to come up with a reason for them to be doing anything on deck, so the port "lifelines" sound likely. Don't know about subs, but longshoremen have a go at it for surface boats in Norfolk during winter.