Mod request: Especially for sergbuto

[chris911]

they had large buoys which where used to fix the flying boats while they where not on patrol....

[bigboywooly]

Ah I see now mate

[Tikigod]

I'd like to see B-17's included as well. http://uboat.net/allies/aircraft/b17.htm

Would be neat to have single ones attack the uboats while others could be seen in formations heading to and from England.

[GT182]

B17s would be nice but it was the B-24 Privateers that attacked Greman Uboats. B17s flew bomb runs on shipping in the Pacific. As did the B-24s I believe. The USAAF in the ETO used B-17s just for bombing land targets. Tho British Bomber Command used B-17s as recon in search of Uboats.


Actually the B24s in SHIII are the wrong ones. Tha Navy's B-24 Privateers were of the single stablizer type, not the double stabilizers. It was the type B-24 Joseph P. Kennedy flew and was killed in. I'm suprised no one has realised this before now. But it really makes no difference to me which type they are in SHIII, the ones we have now work and do their job well.... sometimes too well. LOL

But please correct me if I'm wrong, as I usually can be. I'm just remembering what I've read and from a couple of books on 17s and 24s that are in storage, and I can't get to right now.

[chris911]

I think both were used the PB4Y-2 was derivated from the B24 which also served as ASW plane.

[GT182]

Thanks Chris, that what I was referring to, the PB4Y-2, but could remember it exactly.

[Tikigod]

Before you started typing did you read the link I posted? It lists uboats sunk by B-17's. I had a great uncle who's crew was awarded an air medal for sinking a uboat with a B-17. Yes, B-17's were primarily used for land targets. But, uboats were opportunity targets if they were spotted along the way.

The link I posted says some b-17's were also fitted with depth charges and surface radar to specifically hunt uboats. This was probably because b-17s had a greater range and could fly to places smaller bombers could not. B-24's are Liberators not Privateers. Privateers are the PB4Y-2's.

The B-24's you mention in SH3 are correct. They were land bombers as well as maritime patrol bombers that hunted uboats. B-24's were more adapted to attacking uboats but, both b-17's and b-24's attacked these vessels when the opportunity presented itself.

Here are more links that could help clarify your confusion (optional reading of course):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-24_Liberator
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PB4Y_Privateer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-17

Previous link:
http://uboat.net/allies/aircraft/b17.htm (scroll down to where it says "Fighting the Uboats" as well as "Uboats sunk by this Aircraft"

Originally Posted by GT182

B17s would be nice but it was the B-24 Privateers that attacked Greman Uboats. B17s flew bomb runs on shipping in the Pacific. As did the B-24s I believe. The USAAF in the ETO used B-17s just for bombing land targets. Tho British Bomber Command used B-17s as recon in search of Uboats.


Actually the B24s in SHIII are the wrong ones. Tha Navy's B-24 Privateers were of the single stablizer type, not the double stabilizers. It was the type B-24 Joseph P. Kennedy flew and was killed in. I'm suprised no one has realised this before now. But it really makes no difference to me which type they are in SHIII, the ones we have now work and do their job well.... sometimes too well. LOL

But please correct me if I'm wrong, as I usually can be. I'm just remembering what I've read and from a couple of books on 17s and 24s that are in storage, and I can't get to right now.

[JU_88]

11 uboats were sunk by B17s so it worth having them in SH3 even though that figure pales compared to the 72 Uboats sunk by Liberators.

[Tikigod]

Those are confirmed kills through uboat.net's research not finite numbers for the war. There are 53 uboats that uboat.net claims are "lost" and still unaccounted for. The 11 sunk by b-17's are only one's uboat.net has confirmed. It isn't a final number. These statistics represent "kills" not overall "attacks" on uboats. (I'm sure there were many failed attacks on uboats, you are assuming all of the attacks are kills) All uboat.net stats prove based on their sample is that b-24's were more successful at "scoring kills" on uboats than the b-17's.

The uboat my great uncle's crew destroyed was with a bomb load not with depth charges. It was an unexpected attack and the uboat was a target of opporunity. The kills listed on uboat.net are kills by B-17's opperating with depth charges. I know this because I've tried using them as a resource to trace back my great uncle's flight to find out which uboat his crew destroyed.

As for worth, that is personal preference, all I am saying is that it would be nice to have to deal with b-17 on occasion, since they were used in the war. In your case, based on your research, you could set the attacks as a 1-7 ratio of the heavy bomber attacks in game.

Originally Posted by JU_88

11 uboats were sunk by B17s so it worth having them in SH3 even though that figure pales compared to the 72 Uboats sunk by Liberators.