PYRO ship and no big bang!!!

melnibonian · 01-17-07, 09:29 AM

If the ship sunk due to flooding there is no reason to see fireworks. If you want to get big explosions and one torpedo kill, try hitting the Pyro in the front part (under the first set of masts). At this spot the ammo bunkers are located, and you maximise the chance of a big explosion

hyperion2206 · 01-17-07, 10:47 AM

There's is a part of the Pyro which causes a huge explosion. If you manage to hit a Pyro right under her 1. mast it will explode 10 out of 10 times, so that could be called "cheating" but what do I care.:p:rotfl:

Sailor Steve · 01-17-07, 11:43 AM

Why were they labelled "Pyro"? Ammunition ships could and did explode spectacularly, but no one ever called them "Pyro" ships.

mookiemookie · 01-17-07, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Why were they labelled "Pyro"? Ammunition ships could and did explode spectacularly, but no one ever called them "Pyro" ships.

From my understanding, Pyro was the class of ammo ship. Nitro and Volcano classes existed as well, but I think those came after the war.

WilhelmSchulz. · 01-17-07, 02:54 PM

Aim for the foward crane. dose it every time.

Steppenwolf · 01-17-07, 03:24 PM

Melnibonian, Hyperion2206 (or anyone),
How did you know that was the spot to shoot for in order to hit the ammo bunkers?

I know a few "general" rules, like the Engine Room is usually under the smokestack, The magazine is usually under a turret, but don't really know where to aim for anything else.

I like to use manual targeting and try and aim for a specific part of a ship (adds another challenge to the game) that will do more damage. Hitting it, of course, is another matter entirely.

Is there anywhere to look in the games cfg or other files that would help indicate a ship's general layout? I have a pdf indicating this for some of the original ships, but I know GWX changed a lot of things around and, of course, there is no info on the many new ships introduced. For that matter, anyone know if there IS any kind of damage increase (or other advantage) to hitting these kinds of spots in GWX? Info on how the new damage model works seems to be a little sparse.

Otherwise, the only way I would have figured out where the Pyro's bunkers were, would be to shoot at about 10 of them, in a different spot each time and see what seemed most effective. Not looking to blow up everything in one big blast, but since I have enough trouble just hitting the ship, I'd kind of like to know that I am at least aiming for the right spot. That way, if by some miracle I actually connect, it is at least increasing the damage a little.

Abd_von_Mumit · 01-17-07, 03:29 PM

Hmm... I simply prefer to learn those by practise. What you learn that way you'll probably never forget. Every time you shoot a X-type ship you do your best to spectate the results and you learn something more. The 100th time when sinking an X-type you will be completely sure that you know where it has its most interesting places. And then you can feel like real Kaleun that also was never told all that stuff before he tried on himself.

Hartmann · 01-17-07, 04:00 PM

what crew number they use in those ships ??

it could be very dangerous be on the top of thousand tons of high explosives waiting for a torpedo hit...

hyperion2206 · 01-17-07, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Steppenwolf

Melnibonian, Hyperion2206 (or anyone),
How did you know that was the spot to shoot for in order to hit the ammo bunkers?

I know a few "general" rules, like the Engine Room is usually under the smokestack, The magazine is usually under a turret, but don't really know where to aim for anything else.

I like to use manual targeting and try and aim for a specific part of a ship (adds another challenge to the game) that will do more damage. Hitting it, of course, is another matter entirely.

Is there anywhere to look in the games cfg or other files that would help indicate a ship's general layout? I have a pdf indicating this for some of the original ships, but I know GWX changed a lot of things around and, of course, there is no info on the many new ships introduced. For that matter, anyone know if there IS any kind of damage increase (or other advantage) to hitting these kinds of spots in GWX? Info on how the new damage model works seems to be a little sparse.

Otherwise, the only way I would have figured out where the Pyro's bunkers were, would be to shoot at about 10 of them, in a different spot each time and see what seemed most effective. Not looking to blow up everything in one big blast, but since I have enough trouble just hitting the ship, I'd kind of like to know that I am at least aiming for the right spot. That way, if by some miracle I actually connect, it is at least increasing the damage a little.

I could try to mske up a story how I found out which part to hit, which would make me look really smart.:rotfl:

But for a change I'm honest: I read about it in another thread.

Dallass_Drake · 01-17-07, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steppenwolf

Melnibonian, Hyperion2206 (or anyone),
How did you know that was the spot to shoot for in order to hit the ammo bunkers?

I know a few "general" rules, like the Engine Room is usually under the smokestack, The magazine is usually under a turret, but don't really know where to aim for anything else.

I like to use manual targeting and try and aim for a specific part of a ship (adds another challenge to the game) that will do more damage. Hitting it, of course, is another matter entirely.

Is there anywhere to look in the games cfg or other files that would help indicate a ship's general layout? I have a pdf indicating this for some of the original ships, but I know GWX changed a lot of things around and, of course, there is no info on the many new ships introduced. For that matter, anyone know if there IS any kind of damage increase (or other advantage) to hitting these kinds of spots in GWX? Info on how the new damage model works seems to be a little sparse.

Otherwise, the only way I would have figured out where the Pyro's bunkers were, would be to shoot at about 10 of them, in a different spot each time and see what seemed most effective. Not looking to blow up everything in one big blast, but since I have enough trouble just hitting the ship, I'd kind of like to know that I am at least aiming for the right spot. That way, if by some miracle I actually connect, it is at least increasing the damage a little.

I think at lower realism, you can target a Pyro and at the ideal (Green) angle of attack you can pull up the boats details, with four areas your WO can target with his solution ... As has been recommended, I put my Torps in the front under the masts, round there is a forward ammo bunker. I think there is also one in the rear but I'm always successful putting them in the front and haven't anything else

Steppenwolf · 01-18-07, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dallass_Drake

I think at lower realism, you can target a Pyro and at the ideal (Green) angle of attack you can pull up the boats details, with four areas your WO can target with his solution ... As has been recommended, I put my Torps in the front under the masts, round there is a forward ammo bunker. I think there is also one in the rear but I'm always successful putting them in the front and haven't anything else

Yes, there was a built-in "cheat" in the original SH3 where if you clicked on those little boxes and fired your torpedo, a hit resulted in a guaranteed kill. If you just used them as a reference and aimed the torpedo yourself (either by autoaiming with the crosshair or doing the full manual targeting routine) there was a certain percentage chance of a critical hit, assuming you hit it at all, but it was only a chance, not guaranteed.

Thankfully, the "click on the box/guaranteed kill" part of this has been inadvertently broken by GWX. Kpt. Lehmann has stated they intend to remove it from any remaining ships it may still work with and I heartily agree with his decision.
As a caveat though, you can't use them as a reference anymore either, however. The new GWX ships never had their boxes accurately placed (designers just copied the boxes from old ships over to the new ones) and since GWX changed the compartments around on the original ships, the boxes may or may not be accurate on those as well.

The only negative effect of this is that we ( or at least nautically-challenged landlubbers such as myself )

don't really have a clue where the compartments might be, especially on the new ships (like the questions people had about the Pyro above). Which is why I was wondering if there was some way to figure out a ballpark idea of the ships layout (or general guidelines like the "engine room under the smokestack" rule). I do the whole manual targeting routine and don't want ships exploding like an arcade gallery, but do like the challenge of aiming for a specific part of the ship for even a little possibility of extra effectiveness (even if I don't have a snowball's chance in hell of hitting it)

bigboywooly · 01-17-07, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Why were they labelled "Pyro"? Ammunition ships could and did explode spectacularly, but no one ever called them "Pyro" ships.

http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/0501.htm

Sailor Steve · 01-17-07, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigboywooly

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Why were they labelled "Pyro"? Ammunition ships could and did explode spectacularly, but no one ever called them "Pyro" ships.

http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/0501.htm

:rotfl: There's always something!

But I bet they still didn't call them Pyros!
{said quietly as he crawls off to hide under a rock}

AG124 · 01-17-07, 07:01 PM

As you may have noticed, GWX merchants use generic names and the Pyro class was supposed to receive one as well - "Naval Auxiliary Ammunition." However, it appears that when this new generic name was added to Englishnames.cfg, someone forgot to delete the original name - because the original was first in the list, it still shows up. Therefore, it is an accident that the specific class name has been retained. Still sounds cool though, doesn't it?:p

wamphyri · 01-17-07, 09:47 PM

Actually I don't see any reason why they wouldn't be called pyro's .. even if in slang. The example I throw at your feet is the sherman tank during this very same war. The british called them Ronsons, the americans called them Zippo's, because they used gasoline engines and if hit with a shell had a good chance of exploding from the fuel tanks being ruptured. they were given those names because they were brands of lighters.

diesel engines didn't pose much of a risk of exploding in flames so the german and the soviet tanks weren't as likely to burst into flames.

I doubt this has anything to do with why they were called pyro's but one can dream can't he

History lesson aside .. I assume it's because that's the class of ship, why would we call a Black Swan anything else?? I'm not about calling them "Dear god ALMIGHTY" are you? Black swan works just fine for me.

Wamphyri

01-17-07, 09:29 AM	#1
melnibonian Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Reading UK Posts: 3,473 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	If the ship sunk due to flooding there is no reason to see fireworks. If you want to get big explosions and one torpedo kill, try hitting the Pyro in the front part (under the first set of masts). At this spot the ammo bunkers are located, and you maximise the chance of a big explosion __________________ http://www.thegreywolves.com/ http://wolvesatwar.com/ Download GWX and other goodies: http://hosted.filefront.com/melnibonian

01-17-07, 10:47 AM	#2
hyperion2206 Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Cologne, Germany Posts: 1,227 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	There's is a part of the Pyro which causes a huge explosion. If you manage to hit a Pyro right under her 1. mast it will explode 10 out of 10 times, so that could be called "cheating" but what do I care.:p:rotfl: __________________ Career of Captain Jack Shaftoe:

01-17-07, 11:43 AM	#3
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Why were they labelled "Pyro"? Ammunition ships could and did explode spectacularly, but no one ever called them "Pyro" ships. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

01-17-07, 02:54 PM	#5
WilhelmSchulz. The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Virgina Beach Posts: 1,301 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	Aim for the foward crane. dose it every time. __________________ "Some ships are designed to sink… others require our assistance."

01-17-07, 03:29 PM	#7
Abd_von_Mumit The Old Man Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Warszawa, Polska Posts: 1,453 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 4	Hmm... I simply prefer to learn those by practise. What you learn that way you'll probably never forget. Every time you shoot a X-type ship you do your best to spectate the results and you learn something more. The 100th time when sinking an X-type you will be completely sure that you know where it has its most interesting places. And then you can feel like real Kaleun that also was never told all that stuff before he tried on himself. __________________ Long, hard, wet and full of seamen. My precious. SH3+GWX+OLC — sunk x4, retired x2; SH5+TDW — still exploring My SH5 mods: EQuaTool - Elite Quality Map Tools, Patrol Routine Scripts, No Logo Intro Menu_Animation, Less Annoying Stopwatch Links: SH5 mods I use, FileFront, Manual plotting how-to

01-17-07, 03:24 PM	#6
Steppenwolf 中国水兵 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 278 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Melnibonian, Hyperion2206 (or anyone), How did you know that was the spot to shoot for in order to hit the ammo bunkers? I know a few "general" rules, like the Engine Room is usually under the smokestack, The magazine is usually under a turret, but don't really know where to aim for anything else. I like to use manual targeting and try and aim for a specific part of a ship (adds another challenge to the game) that will do more damage. Hitting it, of course, is another matter entirely. Is there anywhere to look in the games cfg or other files that would help indicate a ship's general layout? I have a pdf indicating this for some of the original ships, but I know GWX changed a lot of things around and, of course, there is no info on the many new ships introduced. For that matter, anyone know if there IS any kind of damage increase (or other advantage) to hitting these kinds of spots in GWX? Info on how the new damage model works seems to be a little sparse. Otherwise, the only way I would have figured out where the Pyro's bunkers were, would be to shoot at about 10 of them, in a different spot each time and see what seemed most effective. Not looking to blow up everything in one big blast, but since I have enough trouble just hitting the ship, I'd kind of like to know that I am at least aiming for the right spot. That way, if by some miracle I actually connect, it is at least increasing the damage a little.

01-17-07, 04:00 PM	#8
Hartmann Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Grid CH 26, Spain ,Barcelona Posts: 1,857 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	what crew number they use in those ships ?? it could be very dangerous be on the top of thousand tons of high explosives waiting for a torpedo hit... __________________ But this ship can't sink!... She is made of iron, sir. I assure you, she can. and she will. It is a mathematical certainty. Strength and honor

01-17-07, 07:01 PM	#14
AG124 Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,878 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Pyro Ammunition Freighter As you may have noticed, GWX merchants use generic names and the Pyro class was supposed to receive one as well - "Naval Auxiliary Ammunition." However, it appears that when this new generic name was added to Englishnames.cfg, someone forgot to delete the original name - because the original was first in the list, it still shows up. Therefore, it is an accident that the specific class name has been retained. Still sounds cool though, doesn't it?:p __________________ DOWNLOAD GWX HERE: http://www.thegreywolves.com/index.html

01-17-07, 09:47 PM	#15
wamphyri Lieutenant Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lethbridge, Alberta Posts: 260 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	Actually I don't see any reason why they wouldn't be called pyro's .. even if in slang. The example I throw at your feet is the sherman tank during this very same war. The british called them Ronsons, the americans called them Zippo's, because they used gasoline engines and if hit with a shell had a good chance of exploding from the fuel tanks being ruptured. they were given those names because they were brands of lighters. diesel engines didn't pose much of a risk of exploding in flames so the german and the soviet tanks weren't as likely to burst into flames. I doubt this has anything to do with why they were called pyro's but one can dream can't he History lesson aside .. I assume it's because that's the class of ship, why would we call a Black Swan anything else?? I'm not about calling them "Dear god ALMIGHTY" are you? Black swan works just fine for me. Wamphyri