WHO's hat is in the ring?

[Bort]

Ollie North for President!

:rotfl:



Ahh yes, Mr. North, that pillar of our community that was convicted of three felonies and only barely avoided prison. (Yes I know the convictions were overturned but only on a technicality.)

Barack Obama, however, would make an excellent President. I have witnessed his rise from a mere state legislator here in Illinois to the US Senate, and throughout he has proven himself to be intelligent, hardworking and honest. I can care less if he's christian, muslim or voodoo- he is eminately qualified for the job.

[Bort]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

No. More like this guy:



Bully! Bully!

I'm fairly certain, having undertaken much study into Theodore Roosevelt, that he wouldn't be saying bully to Mr. Bolton. Probably something much less positive. Bolton was IMHO a total loser that couldn't even get confirmed by a REPUBLICAN senate for the UN job, and then after Bush subverted the legislature with a recess appointment was almost universally despised by his colleagues at the UN.

[GSpector]

From what i remember about Oliver North was that he was turned into a Scapegoat and he only got off those charges because He brought the entire Government blunder to the Public's attention and they could not hide the truth.

Frame ups are the way of our Government/Military to prevent those that are truely guilty from being cought. That's why Oliver North was let go on a Technicality. He did what he was told and he got cought and then turned into a Scapegoat to cover up the truth. He agreed to keep his mouth closed and they let him go in a way that did not say "Oops, we messed up".

[Schatten]

Col. North was convicted but what a lot of people don't get is when he took the Fifth Amendment it wasn't to protect himself, it was to protect national security. For some that may not be a very important distinction but to me it is. There's no way he could actually get elected, but for my money he'd be exactly the sort of President we need right now, and that's not something I can say about any of the people who've already said they were going to run in '08 be they Democrat or Republican.

The only thing I've seen Obama do, is be Obama. Which is appearently enough if the media loves ya...

The way the world is right now it's important that we have someone as President who isn't just going to be there, but actually will be prepared to make some very tough decisions that some people, or a lot of people even, won't like. We're in the Age of Terror here and can't simply have another Poll Watcher President who's afraid of offending anyone, even the people that want to do us harm.

[Chaotic42]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

That's very... odd...

Do you have a picture that describes what policies of Powell's that you don't like?

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Chaotic42

That's very... odd...

Do you have a picture that describes what policies of Powell's that you don't like?

Dig into this article to see what an untrustworthy backstabber Powell is.

The article also coveniently points out the pressures from Powell and company at the State Dept. against Bolton's nomination. Do you truly believe that the State Dept's current and past records of decades of bungled diplomacy and non-objective interests is the place to look for the leadership of the US? The thought actually makes me sicker than the little fluffy bunny implied.

And Powell has become a wimp in the fight against America's enemy, Islam. He no longer follows through on any of the tough words he uttered back in the days of the Gulf War. He is barely a shadow of his old past. He is not made of the right stuff for leadership, not even for his current position. I hope that you never have to mark my words.

Originally Posted by Bort

I'm fairly certain, having undertaken much study into Theodore Roosevelt, that he wouldn't be saying bully to Mr. Bolton.

Oh, really? Why not?

Probably something much less positive.

Such as?

Bolton was IMHO a total loser that couldn't even get confirmed by a REPUBLICAN senate for the UN job,

Nothing like a winning Republican senate!

and then after Bush subverted the legislature with a recess appointment was almost universally despised by his colleagues at the UN.

Which is what was excellent about him. In fact, Bolton is reminiscent of the late Jean Kirkpatrick (RIP). Incidentally, Kirkpatrick said of John Bolton last year, regarding his failed nomination:

"one of the smartest people I've ever encountered in Washington."

You can have your Republican loser senators - the whole lot of them.

Here's the latest article about Bolton (2 pages): Ousted Bolton puts world to rights

Bully! Bully!

And here's an appropriate almost immortal and prophetic quote for you:

"We stand equally against government by a plutocracy and government by a mob. There is something to be said for government by a great aristocracy which has furnished leaders to the nation in peace and war for generations; even a democrat like myself must admit this. But there is absolutely nothing to be said for government by a plutocracy, for government by men very powerful in certain lines and gifted with "the money touch," but with ideals which in their essence are merely those os so many glorified pawnbrokers."
- Theodore Roosevelt, letter to Sir Edward Grey, 1913

One more appropriate quote, representing what Bolton has very much stood for throughout his career:

"Any country whose people conduct themselves well can count upon our hearty friendship. If a nation shows that it knows how to act with reasonable efficiency and decency in social and political matters, if it keeps order and pays its obligations, it need fear no interference from the United States. Chronic wrongdoing, or an impotence which results in a general loosening of the ties of civilized society, may in America, as elsewhere, ultimately require intervention by some civilized nation, and in the Western Hemisphere the adherence of the United States to the Monroe Doctrine may force the United States, however reluctantly, in flagrant cases of such wrongdoing or impotence, to the exercise of an international police power."
- Theodore Roosevelt, Fourth State of the Union Address, 1904

Bully, bully, Bolton!

[Konovalov]

Originally Posted by geetrue

Something to think about:…

Where did you cut and paste that from? :hmm:

Something more to think about. This should clear things up: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

Care to comment?

Edit: I have removed my quote above of geetrue's text/post as per his request via PM today and in light of his retraction of an earlier post concerning United States Senator Barack Obama.

[The Avon Lady]

I love Snopes.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by geetrue

I read the post at snopes you linked me to and it is almost the same, uh? But all they did is kick it around and say it was false without proof.

But without the OP's comments ... Lets just take the truth ... He is from a black muslim background ... He was born in Hawaii ... but grew up in Indonesian ... His mother divorced one muslim and married another muslim ... So far so good with the truth, right.

Growing up doesnt happen between the ages of 6 and 10, he didnt grow up in Indonesia. So far so good with the exaggeration, then?

What if Truman, Ike, kenendy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Clinton or Bush had the same background and then said they were born again Christians? Would they then become eligible in the sight of all men to run for President of the United States with any hope of obtaining that office?.

Why should a candidate's religion make a difference? And surely the point of being a "born-again" Christian is that a fundamental change ocurred?

[Konovalov]

Originally Posted by geetrue

Yes, I care to comment ... I did not cut and paste ... I tried to, but it would not paste right. I think it some kind of software that keeps you from doing this ... I had to manually type the same information I posted from a source I can not divulge, because I do not have his permission.

Right.....

And Dr John Reid, the British Home Secretary is a pinko commie who is plotting a Communist takeover of power here in Britain. I know this because I attained the information from a source which regrettably I cannot reveal to the public as I don't have permission. But all you need to know is that in his youth at university he was a member of the British Communist Party. Give me a break.

[Enigma]

Plus I can't be prejudice ... I love Secretary of State Ms Rice

I know you didnt meant it to be, but thats the funniest thing I've read all day....

[joea]

Originally Posted by Enigma

I know you didnt meant it to be, but thats the funniest thing I've read all day....

Yes indeed. :rotfl:

[Konovalov]

Originally Posted by Chaotic42

His grandfather is Muslim and his name appears to come from an Arabic word (Link-http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archi...k_hussein.html).

I don't think he has a chance of winning. I'd like to see Colin Powell, but he's said that he won't run. Just as long as Hillary Clinton doesn't win...

There are even a few right ring blogs who have even been highly critical of the Debbie Schlussel fact challenged ramble:
http://baldilocks.typepad.com/baldil...ing_to_th.html
http://www.thepoliticalpitbull.com/2...sein_obama.php

[Enigma]

That first link does a good job of pointing out the blatant ignorance and, frankly, prejudice and bigotry that hes been displayed by the people who want to see this man lose. Good for the writer of that blog. I'm not sold on Obama, nor anybody for that matter, but I respect the man, and I think he deserves that, at least.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by U-533

As I have stated before one may claim he/she is Christian and not be so.

Thank you for pointing this out I will look deeper into it.

P.S. Not just because his name sounds like "Osama"

It could be worse - 'Hilary'. Now that is a scary word. I see visions of Hitler when it is said.

-S