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danlisa · 01-15-07, 09:20 AM

Damn, STEED, you're fast. Are you subscribed to a RSS feed for the news? I've only just read this 5 mins ago.

It's something we've come to realise about this current government, they manage to get things through a back door.

STEED · 01-15-07, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by danlisa

Damn, STEED, you're fast.

I put it down to having three cups of coffee today.

baggygreen · 01-15-07, 10:23 PM

So, not having seen many of the plans or anything for this, whats the big deal if the govt wants to put into place an ID card? Provided it was only particular info, why is there a problem, can someone inform me?

STEED · 01-16-07, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by baggygreen

can someone inform me?

Read these old threads

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=101099

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=98091

baggygreen · 01-16-07, 09:35 AM

Following a latenight skim, it seems the main issue is that of all your data being in the one spot. This would surely only ease a task which is already complicated? atm, a person could research your details and get them in a few hours, maybe a day. This would provide them within minutes (if i understand correctly).

As for police stopping you all in the streets etc, i dont know the facts here. All i know is that you should only be arrested if there is due suspicion of a crime or it is known you committed it. As to the example of being stopped and ID'd on the street, thats pushing it i think. We have cops stop us for a chat, but nothin more than bein friendly..

STEED · 01-16-07, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by baggygreen

Following a latenight skim, it seems the main issue is that of all your data being in the one spot. This would surely only ease a task which is already complicated? atm, a person could research your details and get them in a few hours, maybe a day. This would provide them within minutes (if i understand correctly).

As for police stopping you all in the streets etc, i dont know the facts here. All i know is that you should only be arrested if there is due suspicion of a crime or it is known you committed it. As to the example of being stopped and ID'd on the street, thats pushing it i think. We have cops stop us for a chat, but nothin more than bein friendly..

Your info will be open to abuse and makes it a lot more easy for those who would abuse it. And yes we do live in a police state as of Jan 2006 so you ask why are they not going around arresting people? That's because our courts are ruled by liberals and the E.U. human rights act which is the criminals best friend.

baggygreen · 01-17-07, 07:08 AM

So i just wanna clarify what the main concerns are, just to make sure they're right in my mind.

one is that it will make the abuse of your personal details easier, because it is in one place rather than needing to search through several different places to gather it?

two, the cops (bobbys, sorry) do actually have the right to detain you for nothing now, and thats why you say its a police state? If thats right, then hrm, i do find it a bit tough to agree to. I do recall that the laws were changed to arrest people and hold them for a longer (indefinate?) period for suspicion of terror charges... is that a part of this?

third n finally, a question - if you arent a part of the EU, then why is it that you're bound by the EU human rights legislation? In fact, why does the EU even have human rights legislation, given as each participating nation already had it to some degree.

01-15-07, 09:20 AM	#1
danlisa Navy Seal Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cornwall, UK Posts: 5,499 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 1	Damn, STEED, you're fast. Are you subscribed to a RSS feed for the news? I've only just read this 5 mins ago. It's something we've come to realise about this current government, they manage to get things through a back door. __________________

01-15-07, 10:23 PM	#3
baggygreen Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canberra, ACT, Down Under (really On Top) Posts: 1,880 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	So, not having seen many of the plans or anything for this, whats the big deal if the govt wants to put into place an ID card? Provided it was only particular info, why is there a problem, can someone inform me?

01-16-07, 09:35 AM	#5
baggygreen Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canberra, ACT, Down Under (really On Top) Posts: 1,880 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Following a latenight skim, it seems the main issue is that of all your data being in the one spot. This would surely only ease a task which is already complicated? atm, a person could research your details and get them in a few hours, maybe a day. This would provide them within minutes (if i understand correctly). As for police stopping you all in the streets etc, i dont know the facts here. All i know is that you should only be arrested if there is due suspicion of a crime or it is known you committed it. As to the example of being stopped and ID'd on the street, thats pushing it i think. We have cops stop us for a chat, but nothin more than bein friendly..

01-17-07, 07:08 AM	#7
baggygreen Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canberra, ACT, Down Under (really On Top) Posts: 1,880 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	So i just wanna clarify what the main concerns are, just to make sure they're right in my mind. one is that it will make the abuse of your personal details easier, because it is in one place rather than needing to search through several different places to gather it? two, the cops (bobbys, sorry) do actually have the right to detain you for nothing now, and thats why you say its a police state? If thats right, then hrm, i do find it a bit tough to agree to. I do recall that the laws were changed to arrest people and hold them for a longer (indefinate?) period for suspicion of terror charges... is that a part of this? third n finally, a question - if you arent a part of the EU, then why is it that you're bound by the EU human rights legislation? In fact, why does the EU even have human rights legislation, given as each participating nation already had it to some degree.