Reasonable religion in brief

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Letum

From Avon's Link:

I really don't see how Hinduism can "imitate" Judaism. Hinduism appeared around 500 years before Judaism and a long time before Judaism became a major religion.
Other religions liken Taoism developed in places almost entirely isolated from Jewish influence.

Sounds about right.

Both Christianity and Islam have a firm base in Jewish belief, but neither are "imitations".

False. Both plagiarize heavily from Judaism both in text, commandments and morals and ethics.

Rather, they have built upon Judaism by integrating parts of other religions and adding new features or removing old ones.

This falls within the definitions of "imitate":

im·i·tate
–verb (used with object), -tat·ed, -tat·ing.
1. to follow or endeavor to follow as a model or example: to imitate an author's style; to imitate an older brother.
2. to mimic; impersonate: The students imitated the teacher behind her back.
3. to make a copy of; reproduce closely.
4. to have or assume the appearance of; simulate; resemble.

Likewise, Buddhism built its beliefs upon Hinduism.
All religions share the links that make them religions; in the same way that all spoons share characteristics, like handles, that make them spoons. However, this does not mean that different spoons, such as the spork, are trying to imitate other spoons.

Again refer to definitions 1 and 4, even 2 somewhat.

I seriously doubt the H.H.D.L. said "All religions are an imitation of Judaism". If he did say this, then he was clearly either wrong or expressing his views with the wrong words.

H.H The Dali Lama does ask people to look closely at their own religion and culture rather than converting as he believes that in all religions provide the spiritual food that people desire. He does ask people why they want to convert to Buddhism when they already have their own religion and it is plausible that he asked this person to "open his eyes" to his own culture and religion.

The writer of the article is writing at least 3 years after his meeting with H.H. The Dali Lama (according to the article). I think that with the writer's new found Jewish zeal he may have remembered what H.H.the D.L said in a different way. Everyone fits memories so that they are appropriate to the current situation.

This is a good example of how memory works. If you can't remember something word-for-word (i.e. you don't have a photographic memory from 3 years ago) you fill in the gaps using your other experience's of the world.
This can change things a lot. Take a look at the psychological studies on crime witness's memory to see some good examples.

Nothing new there. Yet we do not automatically dismiss testimonies unless we have evidence otherwise.

[The Avon Lady]

I hadn't even sat down to open the books I wanted to use to respond regarding Paul when Skybird cuts and pastes just what I was looking for.

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

I hadn't even sat down to open the books I wanted to use to respond regarding Paul when Skybird cuts and pastes just what I was looking for.

you say that like it is a good thing...

Skybird quotes a spirtually dead man's belief and believes it because he is spiritually dead ,as are you Avon Lady, if you do not believe that Christ is the Son of God made flesh and was crucifed on the cross and rose again the 3rd day and now sits at the right hand of God and will return again to execute judgement.

Paul or Saul was a chosen vessel of God because of his intense persecution of God's people...I am guessing now to show such people as yourselves that no matter how much evil has been done a way back to Him was provided by the ransom of His sons life...

It is hard to kick against the cactus spikes no?

Jews are Gods chosen people and Israel is his but the gift was given to gentiles until the time of the end then the Jews eyes will be re-opened.This is not my design but Gods.This is wrote not for the unbeliever or Jew but to the believer so he may understand why Jews don't get it and Muslims don't get it and Athesits don't get it...Christians get it and seem to stress out over why the rest don't...but they should not stress... but wait on God to fufill his promises and do as was commanded.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by Iceman

you say that like it is a good thing...

Skybird quotes a spirtually dead man's belief and believes it because he is spiritually dead ,as are you Avon Lady, if you do not believe that Christ is the Son of God made flesh and was crucifed on the cross and rose again the 3rd day and now sits at the right hand of God and will return again to execute judgement.

Paul or Saul was a chosen vessel of God[...] etc etc

Are you serious or just taking the piss?

If its a piss take, then its a good one, alto scarily convincing.

[Gizzmoe]

Originally Posted by Letum

Are you serious or just takeing the piss?

I´m afraid he´s very serious about all that...

[Letum]

Originally Posted by Gizzmoe

I´m afraid he´s very serious about all that...

Your right! I've just had a look at some of his other posts.

Thats some....errr...conviction you have Iceman.

[U-533]

[quote=Iceman

Paul or Saul was a chosen vessel of God because of his intense persecution of God's people...I am guessing now to show such people as yourselves that no matter how much evil has been done a way back to Him was provided by the ransom of His sons life...

It is hard to kick against the cactus spikes no?

quote]


Yes ... and man-o-man were my feet tore up until I learned

Now it's not so hard to walk upright

[Takeda Shingen]

Kids! Hey, kids! Remember that talk we had about baiting a few days ago? Those rules still apply.

In other words, keep this 'reasonable' discussion of religion 'resonable' or this thread will be on the fast track to topical heaven.

Thanks,
The Management

[Konovalov]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

In other words, keep this 'reasonable' discussion of religion 'resonable' or this thread will be on the fast track to topical heaven.

Thanks,
The Management

Hence why I asked for you guys (The Management) to remove this from my President Bush speech thread thankfully.

[Enigma]

Why is a person that looks forward to and believes Jesus will return and rid the world of all us "non-believers" (see: Mass killing? Rapture?) any better than a person who believes in killing people in order to get to a muslim version of heaven/paradise?

Fanaticism is fanaticism.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Iceman

Skybird quotes a spirtually dead man's belief and believes it because he is spiritually dead ,as are you Avon Lady, if you do not believe that Christ is the Son of God made flesh and was crucifed on the cross and rose again the 3rd day and now sits at the right hand of God and will return again to execute judgement.

"Yes, I am a Jew, and when the ancestors of the right honorable gentleman were brutal savages in an unknown island, mine were priests in the temple of Solomon."
- Benjamin Disraeli

[nightdagger]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

False. Both plagiarize heavily from Judaism both in text, commandments and morals and ethics.

It's not plagarizing, at least for Christianity. Christians do acknowledge that the Bible was originally the Jewish Torah until we added the New Testament. The commandments that Jesus gives Christians are summarizations of the 10 commandments and Jewish law.

"Love the Lord your God with all of your heart, soul, and strength. This is the first and greatest commandment. The second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself." As compared to the 10 commandments' specific rules of how to do so.

I don't know about Islam though, but it's kind of odd to call it plagarizing since plagarizing is taking the works of others and calling it your own and that doesn't happen.

[Letum]

I'm guessing you are Jewish Avon?

(just a hunch )