Neutral destroyers in convoy´s? (GWX)

[azn_132]

Which french flag is it? The Free French or just regular french flag?

[swuboo]

USS Niblack, USS Reuben James. It's not without historical precedent.

Vichy escorts, though, that's a bit of a puzzler. Any Free French ships would already be flying the Lorraine cross, so if this ship had the plain tricolor, it's definitely Vichy.

I can definitely see a lot of Vichy crews having no love of the Germans, but I can't see them escorting a convoy which, if it's off the Canaries, is probably bound for Britain. It's too soon after Mers-el-Kebir.

My guess is that it's intentional that sympathetic neutrals provide escorts, since that's true to life, but that it was unintentional for France in particular to do so.

[Vikinger]

Its the regulary french flag.

[andy_311]

If they fired first then oblitrate that convoy I would. (but am just curious if you/they fire at you and they are neutral I know that the game modele's your a enemy of that country for 24 hrs does that mean that every where on the world map that coutry is fireing at the other country's ship just curious).

[Vikinger]

Originally Posted by andy_311

If they fired first then oblitrate that convoy I would. (but am just curious if you/they fire at you and they are neutral I know that the game modele's your a enemy of that country for 24 hrs does that mean that every where on the world map that coutry is fireing at the other country's ship just curious).

I was at periscope depth and they spotted me and came after me.

Obviously i was a threat to the convoy so they attacked.

The convoy consisted of both english and french escorts.

I had 2 french ship after me. 1 was a swan frigate and the other was a corvett.

I manage after a while sink one of the french escort after they had depth charged me. Then another destroyer, english, jumped into the scene so i decided to disengage and sneak away from that convoy.

But it doesnt matter who attacked first, problem is that it shouldnt be any french escort ship in a large convoy. My guess is also that the convoy was on outbound for america.

[melnibonian]

On the other hand I did attack a small convoy (one US DD, one US Tanker and a British Passenger Liner) outside Freetown in December 1940. I fired only at the British ship and the US DD didn't even bothered to search for me. Both US ships left the British one to sink and continued their voyage.

[bigboywooly]

Where and when was this encounter with the French ? Date and location
The French do not have anything above an armed trawler - def not a corvette of Black Swan

[Vikinger]

Originally Posted by bigboywooly

Where and when was this encounter with the French ? Date and location
The French do not have anything above an armed trawler - def not a corvette of Black Swan

From my patrol log:

13 Sep 1941 0629 CF86 Ship sunk! HMS Wild Goose (Black Swan Class), 1250 tons


That is the ship i sunk after they attacked me.

I could rollback some missions coz i know i did a save just before i encounterd the convoy but that would delete all my other saves i made after that entry.

And i as also suprised to se that they had a black swan and a corvett class so i checked the roster file later but thos ship was not on the list.

[swuboo]

Originally Posted by Vikinger

Its the regulary french flag.

Then that ship definitely shouldn't be there. Not after Mers-el-Kebir.

Again, I like the idea of neutral escorts; those really existed, and really opened fire on U-Boats. Pre-Pearl American escorts in particular.

But Vichy escorts simply don't make any sense, given the political situation.