So full of pride...so dead.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by stabiz

You are fired! Report for infantry duty in Stalingrad!

lol The hell I will! I've played Medal of Honor, that's Stalingrad enough for me. I'll stay in the Kriegsmarine, thank you very much!

[stabiz]

Okay, there is an opening as Bernards assistant. Best I could do.

[Der Eisen-Wal]

RAF attack at night? in 1939? in all of GW 1.1 i nver got attacked by aircraft nor sunk by a plane. and i did 20+ patrols through various careers in the Eastern seaboard and most of the European theatre..

i can't wait to play GWX!

[IceGrog]

Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

Not only that... but raiding ports to get tonnage is just cheesy and unrealistic.

Port raids by U-boats were EXTREMELY RARE in RL. People do it all the time in SH3 and it produces unrealistic results.

Hey, I tried to tell Papa Donitz it wasn’t a good idea, but he said he would just send some other guy, like maybe that little Gunther.

Whispers of “Build it and they well come”

RAF attack at night………it was early morning by then

[stabiz]

Originally Posted by Der Eisen-Wal

RAF attack at night? in 1939? in all of GW 1.1 i nver got attacked by aircraft nor sunk by a plane. and i did 20+ patrols through various careers in the Eastern seaboard and most of the European theatre..

i can't wait to play GWX!

Yes, RAF atacks at night too. Here is one bugger with the Leigh Light. Almost made me soil my pants:

[Hartmann]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

And this is why I don't raid harbors. They're deathtraps!

Eeeeeveryone wants to be Gunther Prien. I should put that in my sig. hee hee...

Gunther prien was very lucky, it was a very dangerous raid, and perhaps if it were repeated could end in a disaster. nets...mines...scorts..shallow waters .. .

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Hartmann

Gunther prien was very lucky, it was a very dangerous raid, and perhaps if it were repeated could end in a disaster. nets...mines...scorts..shallow waters .. .

A couple of German U-boats were sunk when they tried raiding Scapa in WW1. You're absolutely correct. Prien was extremely lucky.

[IceGrog]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

A couple of German U-boats were sunk when they tried raiding Scapa in WW1. You're absolutely correct. Prien was extremely lucky.

Lucky………yes he was but as a German submariner in ww2 with the death rate at over 60% even if you came back from a standard mission you were lucky.
I remember reading that two u-boats were lost in Scapa Flow in ww1, one tried to follow a warship in thru the opening and was spotted, can’t remember how the second one was caught.

And I was also thinking. If you really get in the math of this submariner death rate, the 60% is figure of the whole war, when you calculate and consider that in the early stages of ww2 u-boats would go for months at a time without loosing a single crew (which is when the Scapa Flow raid occurred) so in order for the 60% fate at the end of the war it was just plain short of suicide to be on patrol in a u-boat towards the end years

[Mooncatt]

i agree scapa is one of the hardest ports to raid imo but the booty is too good to resist for me
and if it will sink "IT ISNT JUST FOR LOOKING AT" :rotfl: ITS FOR SHOOTING AT

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by IceGrog

so in order for the 60% fate at the end of the war it was just plain short of suicide to be on patrol in a u-boat towards the end years

You really get a sense of that when you read Werner's Iron Coffins and Peter Cremer's U-boat Commander (which I'm in the middle of now). I haven't reached the part where Cremer gets his XXI (eagerly looking forward to that...man, what a boat that must have been) but he's just been sent back out in the summer of '43 after being on Donitz's staff. He paints a very very grim picture.

[HunterICX]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

lol The hell I will! I've played Medal of Honor, that's Stalingrad enough for me. I'll stay in the Kriegsmarine, thank you very much!

Hey! there is always the German Lufftwaffe

I,ve seen Stalingrad in COD and I must say...I was horrified how realistic they made it.

but anyway if I get kicked out of the Navy I join the Air force and the first thing I do...I bomb Scapa before Stabiz reaches it

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

You really get a sense of that when you read Werner's Iron Coffins and Peter Cremer's U-boat Commander (which I'm in the middle of now). I haven't reached the part where Cremer gets his XXI (eagerly looking forward to that...man, what a boat that must have been) but he's just been sent back out in the summer of '43 after being on Donitz's staff. He paints a very very grim picture.

Try Hunter-Killer(I do not have the authors name, I'm at work) , about the CVE carriers, talk about no chance in hell. These pilots were seeing uboats 20 miles away. The radar was just that good to pick them up at night. They were using the new FIDO and sonobouy. Not to mention Huff/Duff. I'm in 1940 and I'm really dreading seeing 1943 if I make it that far. I can only imaging the forboding feeling in the late years of the war

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Try Hunter-Killer(I do not have the authors name, I'm at work) , about the CVE carriers, talk about no chance in hell. These pilots were seeing uboats 20 miles away. The radar was just that good to pick them up at night. They were using the new FIDO and sonobouy. Not to mention Huff/Duff. I'm in 1940 and I'm really dreading seeing 1943 if I make it that far. I can only imaging the forboding feeling in the late years of the war

I never play much past '42 in SH3, since I'm such a chicken! Hee hee...

Cremer says something to that effect in his book. Something like "they were sending us out in obsolete equipment that had absolutely no chance in the face of all the technological advancements of the Allied ASW technology." By the end of the war, they were just fighting to stay alive, rather than sink tonnage. Donitz said asmuch to Hitler, but Hitler continued to send them out, saying something to the effect of "If we don't fight them in the Atlantic, we'll be fighting them on the shores." In essence, they had become cannon fodder. Sad.