One thing the American public doesn’t understand about Iraq

Camaero · 12-31-06, 12:51 AM

I think he had them as well.

The Avon Lady · 12-31-06, 02:08 AM

Link reminder: "Iraq's WMDs Revisited" thread.

I think there are tons of things the American public doesn't understand about Iraq, starting at the top of the government, as already being discussed on the "Saddam hung" thread.

Iceman · 01-01-07, 03:37 PM

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Great post Neal...Happy New Year All.

01-01-07, 04:26 PM

Why has he been discharged at aged 22? We aren't being given the entire story.

We are only seeing part of the interview and only that part based on the negative questions being asked. MSM and Neal Stevens framing the argument to their liking.

CCIP · 01-01-07, 04:46 PM

I'd also like to know why a Marine knows about the WMDs that even the administration can't show us :hmm:

As much as I'd like to be proven wrong, I think the public is right to assume what they assume - no evidence has yet surfaced that I'd consider half-convincing.

Wim Libaers · 01-01-07, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

I'd also like to know why a Marine knows about the WMDs that even the administration can't show us :hmm:

As much as I'd like to be proven wrong, I think the public is right to assume what they assume - no evidence has yet surfaced that I'd consider half-convincing.

Well, some of them have been used in IED preparation. But it seems to be old stuff, left probably from before the previous gulf war. https://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq...ap5_annxF.html

Also (nitpicking here), it was not about the administration but about public perception.

diver · 01-01-07, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

I'd also like to know why a Marine knows about the WMDs that even the administration can't show us :hmm:

As much as I'd like to be proven wrong, I think the public is right to assume what they assume - no evidence has yet surfaced that I'd consider half-convincing.

The fact that thousands of Kurds were killed in Chemical weapons attacks not enough evidence for you?

Did he have Nukes, no.

WMDs, certainly.

bradclark1 · 01-01-07, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by diver

The fact that thousands of Kurds were killed in Chemical weapons attacks not enough evidence for you?

March 1988. A little too far back. In fact we(U.S.) probably supplied the gas or the ingredients to make it to Sadam.
Politics is such a nasty business.

Letum · 01-01-07, 11:34 PM

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The fact that thousands of Kurds were killed in Chemical weapons attacks not enough evidence for you?

Did he have Nukes, no.

WMDs, certainly.

Gas or other chemicals are not WMDs
you need a hell of a lot of gas and very large deployment systems before you can achieve the kind of "mass destruction" you get from WMDs.
Whilst chlorine may not be the most potent of chemicals, many hundreds of tonnes where used in WW2 with only limited effect. To cause mass destruction you would need to release 100s of tonnes quickly in a populated area; impossible with any standard delivery system. Kurdish villages is one thing, mass destruction is another.
Biological and nuclear weapons are the only weapons capable of mass destruction with a single use.

Prahaps a mute point tho.
*edit* I'm not trying to make any political point.

August · 01-01-07, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by waste gate

Why has he been discharged at aged 22? We aren't being given the entire story.

4 years active duty with 2 tours in Iraq and another in Afghanistan. Isn't that enough for you?

Onkel Neal · 01-01-07, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by waste gate

Why has he been discharged at aged 22? We aren't being given the entire story.

We are only seeing part of the interview and only that part based on the negative questions being asked. MSM and Neal Stevens framing the argument to their liking.

I didn't intend to frame any arguement, just thought the article was interesting.

Subnuts · 01-01-07, 06:53 PM

A Wacky Menacing Dictator?

nightdagger · 01-01-07, 07:25 PM

I think that he just hid them well. As a kid, if someone hid one of your toys in the sandbox, you might never find it. Saddam had a pretty damn big sandbox to hide his toys in.

In any case, that's a good article. A Marine recruiter at my school told us about the same thing that the sniper said: the media just shows the negative. Marines even do things like airdrop soccer balls to the Iraqi kids but they don't get credit for it from Americans.

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nightdagger Officer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 243 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I think that he just hid them well. As a kid, if someone hid one of your toys in the sandbox, you might never find it. Saddam had a pretty damn big sandbox to hide his toys in. In any case, that's a good article. A Marine recruiter at my school told us about the same thing that the sniper said: the media just shows the negative. Marines even do things like airdrop soccer balls to the Iraqi kids but they don't get credit for it from Americans. __________________

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