Seawolves editorial

[Bis71]

Guys, I don't want discussion or flames., Just any facts as PMs.

Thanks.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Subwolf

You're welcome, and please stay on topic next time. Remember that's what the mods wants you to do.

Actually, it was you who went to the side fracking tracks on this topic.

[Subwolf]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Shut up about it already. Nobody here likes your precious expansion that you needlessly spent your cash on. Accept it, Get over it ,and move on already.

Are you talking to me? You know, once again I noticed that a member asked a few innocent questions about the X1 add on, and again they receive the usual treatment. I don't like to see that. If you can't answer the questions, simply don't post or do ignore the thread. There are many users of this mod, and they should be allowed to ask questions about it in a subsim forum like this one.

[Dowly]

But you gotta understand how the modders whom work X1 stole feel about it. I´ve done very little 3D modeling and I respect the ones who do big models like ships and stuff. It´s really hard and time consuming work to do. They have every right to be angry to X1 and their mod of the many many many hours of work they stole without permission.

[clayton]

Just curious Subwolf, but would you support X1 or whoever developed the game to compensate developers/modders whose mods are proven to be in Seawolves? :hmm:

NSDQ

[Safe-Keeper]

We probably don't need another discussion because we wont agree on this anyway.

Apparently not, even though we've presented evidence and proven that X-1 stole mods from the community. This thread is as useless as your average evolution vs. Creation debate.

Anyone who can assist Bis71, PM him. For the rest of us - let's let this thread die.

[HunterICX]

STOP! IT NOW!

stop those personal attacks and baiting actions!

I,m getting sick and tired of seeing threads been messed up by these useless discussions. really stop it now.

Ignore each other and dont try to fire a ''Last Word'' post against eachother.

the problems you guys causing arent worth all this. and you only give more work for mods to close this thread.

really guys nock it off, or else you really piss me off!

HunterICX

and maybe, some also have to know these Threads where SW,X1 are mentioned, stop making those. no matter if your PRO or CON and want to share something about it, dont share it with the comunity , because it always turned out in a slapfight between members.

[Gizzmoe]

Yes, couldn´t agree more!

[CCIP]

I'm afraid I'll have to kill this otherwise decent thread if there are any more posts that are of the same nature as, well, all the ones after the original post.

I really wish jasonb885 was around. Try to PM him - he put together quite a detailed case about the X1 story back in the day. Likewise, try to get in touch with Terrapin, he knows this in solid detail.

[sergbuto]

Originally Posted by CWorth

heck one of the people even admitted to having one of sergbutos ship mods in the add-on without his permission over at the SimHq forums.

Yes, he admitted that on SimHq forums both for Seawolves and SW-Med addons. That person was Leonard Hjalmarson, as I understand the owner of Combat Planes. He was in e-mail and PM contact with me about those mods. I told him that they should not use my mods after the scandal about their intention to release free mods as payware without modders permission but they did it anyway.

I have already described before how anyone can easily check that himself, provided the person really wants the facts, not speculations. Coincidence of 8-digit identification codes for every single object in a number of 3D models in my mods and SW addons tells it all. This coincidence is impossible unless the files were copied.

When the first rumours, that X-1 Software is going to release first Seawolves addons with free mods without modders permission, appeared X-1 Software people denied that. In followed-up discussions owner of X-1 Software Trombke (if I remember correctly the spelling) went as far as making anti-Jewish remarks on UBISOFT's forums and posting porno on Subsim's forums, although later he said that it was done by his younger relative using his nick while he was away.

When it was proved that X-1 Software people are lying about not having free mods without modders permission, they had to remove the mods but they removed only those which were named/pointed out to in discussions and kept the rest, like some of my mods. And they did the same thing for the second addon SW-Med.

Now, if some want to believe this kind of people, represented X-1 Software and Combat planes during SW scandals, that is their choice of the principles in live. But I believe those some will not convince the majority of Subsim forum visitors that X-1 Software and Combat planes people were unaware of their wrong doing with both SW addons.

Now back on topic.

Bis71,
Unfortunately, most of modders who were doing their work on SH3 in the past are not visiting Subsim's forums. They moved on. Therefore, they are unaware of your call. I may suggest to send e-mail to Nico. That is the guy who managed to force Combat Planes people to remove the stuff from SW by threatening to sue them. But I do not know whether all the stuff he was talking about was removed or not.

[Onkel Neal]

Let's keep this thread on topic.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by sergbuto

Yes, he admitted that on SimHq forums both for Seawolves and SW-Med addons. That person was Leonard Hjalmarson, as I understand the owner of Combat Planes. He was in e-mail and PM contact with me about those mods. I told him that they should not use my mods after the scandal about their intention to release free mods as payware without modders permission but they did it anyway.

I have already described before how anyone can easily check that himself, provided the person really wants the facts, not speculations. Coincidence of 8-digit identification codes for every single object in a number of 3D models in my mods and SW addons tells it all. This coincidence is impossible unless the files were copied.

When the first rumours, that X-1 Software is going to release first Seawolves addons with free mods without modders permission, appeared X-1 Software people denied that. In followed-up discussions owner of X-1 Software Trombke (if I remember correctly the spelling) went as far as making anti-Jewish remarks on UBISOFT's forums and posting porno on Subsim's forums, although later he said that it was done by his younger relative using his nick while he was away.

When it was proved that X-1 Software people are lying about not having free mods without modders permission, they had to remove the mods but they removed only those which were named/pointed out to in discussions and kept the rest, like some of my mods. And they did the same thing for the second addon SW-Med.

Now, if some want to believe this kind of people, represented X-1 Software and Combat planes during SW scandals, that is their choice of the principles in live. But I believe those some will not convince the majority of Subsim forum visitors that X-1 Software and Combat planes people were unaware of their wrong doing with both SW addons.

Now back on topic.

Bis71,
Unfortunately, most of modders who were doing their work on SH3 in the past are not visiting Subsim's forums. They moved on. Therefore, they are unaware of your call. I may suggest to send e-mail to Nico. That is the guy who managed to force Combat Planes people to remove the stuff from SW by threatening to sue them. But I do not know whether all the stuff he was talking about was removed or not.

Very good summary.

I think Bis' editorial is a good idea. The problem is substantiating enough facts and evidence. That could be hard to come by. But at the very least, he can interview people who are mod creators and community leaders. Serg's credentials are pretty well-established. I concur that my experience during this period matches his. The porn spamming the forums, the BS Stefan tried to pull on people who came up with the mod ideas and made them work, they blatant disregard for the mod work done by others.

Over the years I have seen a few people plagurize other people's work. In the case of Seawolves/X1, they were caught using Subsim mods without permission. Of course, when the whistle was blown, the X1 guy started e-mailing all the modders and tried to smooth things over by "asking" for their permission with the promise of a complimentary copy of the SW mod and full credit. I know because several modders filled me in on this with documentation.

Maybe Wulfman and SubWolf believe X1 was honest and on the up-and-up, but I was there too, and I came away with a very different opinion.

[Letum]

Thanks for the facts Niel and Sergbuto.


Facts like those speak for them selves and opinions are not necessary.

[Bis71]

Boyh Neal and Serbuhto are my main sources. I have a lawyer covering.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

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